Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 02:54:14 06/27/04
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On June 26, 2004 at 14:02:58, Peter Skinner wrote:
>AS I have been pointing out to Frank via email and on the bulletin board on his
>site about the learning problems in Ruffian, I think others might like to see
>just how bad it is:
>
>[Event "ICC 1 3"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "2004.06.26"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Blk-Gary"]
>[Black "Somnus"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[ICCResult "Game drawn by repetition"]
>[WhiteElo "2381"]
>[BlackElo "2725"]
>[Opening "Queen's pawn game"]
>[ECO "A45"]
>[NIC "QP.07"]
>[Time "13:21:12"]
>[TimeControl "60+3"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. d5 e6 3. d6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Ng5 O-O 6. e4 h6 7. h4 Bc5 8.
>Qe2 hxg5 9. hxg5 Nd4 10. Qd1 Nxe4 11. Qh5 Nxc2+ 12. Ke2 Nd4+ 13. Ke1 Bb4+
>14. Bd2 Nc2+ 15. Ke2 Nd4+ 16. Ke1 Nc2+ 17. Ke2 Nd4+ 18. Ke1 Nc2+ 19. Ke2
>Nd4+ 20. Ke1 {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
>
>[Event "ICC 1 3"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "2004.06.26"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Blk-Gary"]
>[Black "Somnus"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[ICCResult "Game drawn by repetition"]
>[WhiteElo "2380"]
>[BlackElo "2726"]
>[Opening "Queen's pawn game"]
>[ECO "A45"]
>[NIC "QP.07"]
>[Time "13:08:30"]
>[TimeControl "60+3"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. d5 e6 3. d6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Ng5 O-O 6. e4 h6 7. h4 Bc5 8.
>Qe2 hxg5 9. hxg5 Nd4 10. Qd1 Nxe4 11. Qh5 Nxc2+ 12. Ke2 Nd4+ 13. Ke1 Bb4+
>14. Bd2 Nc2+ 15. Ke2 Nd4+ 16. Ke1 Nc2+ 17. Ke2 Nd4+ 18. Ke1 Nc2+ 19. Ke2
>Nd4+ 20. Ke1 {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
>
>[Event "ICC 1 3"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "2004.06.26"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Blk-Gary"]
>[Black "Somnus"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[ICCResult "Game drawn by repetition"]
>[WhiteElo "2371"]
>[BlackElo "2735"]
>[Opening "Queen's pawn game"]
>[ECO "A45"]
>[NIC "QP.07"]
>[Time "13:04:44"]
>[TimeControl "60+3"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. d5 e6 3. d6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Ng5 O-O 6. e4 h6 7. h4 Bc5 8.
>Qe2 hxg5 9. hxg5 Nd4 10. Qd1 Nxe4 11. Qh5 Nxc2+ 12. Ke2 Nd4+ 13. Ke1 Bb4+
>14. Bd2 Nc2+ 15. Ke2 Nd4+ 16. Ke1 Nc2+ 17. Ke2 Nd4+ 18. Ke1 Nc2+ 19. Ke2
>Nd4+ 20. Ke1 {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
>
>[Event "ICC 1 3"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "2004.06.26"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Blk-Gary"]
>[Black "Somnus"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[ICCResult "Game drawn by repetition"]
>[WhiteElo "2361"]
>[BlackElo "2745"]
>[Opening "Queen's pawn game"]
>[ECO "A45"]
>[NIC "QP.07"]
>[Time "13:00:11"]
>[TimeControl "60+3"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. d5 e6 3. d6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Ng5 O-O 6. e4 h6 7. h4 Bc5 8.
>Qe2 hxg5 9. hxg5 Nd4 10. Qd1 Nxe4 11. Qh5 Nxc2+ 12. Ke2 Nd4+ 13. Ke1 Nc2+
>14. Ke2 Nd4+ 15. Ke1 Nc2+ 16. Ke2 Nd4+ 17. Ke1 Nc2+ 18. Ke2
>{Game drawn by repetition}
>1/2-1/2
>
>[Event "ICC 1 3"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "2004.06.26"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Blk-Gary"]
>[Black "Somnus"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[ICCResult "Game drawn by repetition"]
>[WhiteElo "2357"]
>[BlackElo "2749"]
>[Opening "Queen's pawn game"]
>[ECO "A45"]
>[NIC "QP.07"]
>[Time "12:50:56"]
>[TimeControl "60+3"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. d5 e6 3. d6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Ng5 O-O 6. e4 h6 7. h4 Bc5 8.
>Qe2 hxg5 9. hxg5 Nd4 10. Qd1 Nxe4 11. Qh5 Nxc2+ 12. Ke2 Nd4+ 13. Ke1 Bb4+
>14. Bd2 Nc2+ 15. Ke2 Nd4+ 16. Ke1 Nc2+ 17. Ke2 Nd4+ 18. Ke1 Nc2+ 19. Ke2
>Nd4+ 20. Ke1 {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
>
>[Event "ICC 1 3"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "2004.06.26"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Blk-Gary"]
>[Black "Somnus"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[ICCResult "Game drawn by repetition"]
>[WhiteElo "2347"]
>[BlackElo "2759"]
>[Opening "Queen's pawn game"]
>[ECO "A45"]
>[NIC "QP.07"]
>[Time "12:46:00"]
>[TimeControl "60+3"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. d5 e6 3. d6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Ng5 O-O 6. e4 h6 7. h4 Bc5 8.
>Qe2 hxg5 9. hxg5 Nd4 10. Qd1 Nxe4 11. Qh5 Nxc2+ 12. Ke2 Nd4+ 13. Ke1 Bb4+
>14. Bd2 Nc2+ 15. Ke2 Nd4+ 16. Ke1 Nc2+ 17. Ke2 Nd4+ 18. Ke1 Nc2+ 19. Ke2
>Nd4+ 20. Ke1 {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
>
>[Event "ICC 1 3"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "2004.06.26"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Blk-Gary"]
>[Black "Somnus"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[ICCResult "Game drawn by repetition"]
>[WhiteElo "2335"]
>[BlackElo "2771"]
>[Opening "Queen's pawn game"]
>[ECO "A45"]
>[NIC "QP.07"]
>[Time "12:42:34"]
>[TimeControl "60+3"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. d5 e6 3. d6 Bxd6 4. Nf3 O-O 5. Ng5 Nc6 6. e4 h6 7. h4 Bc5 8.
>Qe2 hxg5 9. hxg5 Nd4 10. Qd1 Nxe4 11. Qh5 Nxc2+ 12. Ke2 Nd4+ 13. Ke1 Nc2+
>14. Ke2 Nd4+ 15. Ke1 Nc2+ 16. Ke2 Nd4+ 17. Ke1 Nc2+ 18. Ke2
>{Game drawn by repetition}
>1/2-1/2
>
>
>As you can see Ruffian did not even _try_ to avoid the same drawing lines at
>all. There are most exactly like this, but I thought 5 was enough. This Blk-Gary
>played 90 something games and was able to draw almost every 4th game.
>
>This is using the Linux engine, but the Windows version is no better.
>
>I had asked if an update was coming anytime soon, and Frank originally stated
>the end of May, now it is the end of June, and nothing has been put forth. Not
>even a small bugfix release to correct this problem....
>
>I was going to purchase the Ktulu and Patriot releases from Frank, but I think
>my money is now better spend on other things.
>
>Peter
Hi Peter,
I don't get a mail from yourself.
Per-Ola worte to me and others (see Arena News-Ticker, message by Johan
Havegheer) that he work on an update of Ruffian.
I hope you find a good way to spend your money for other things!
We try to find each day a good way for our money!
Have fun with Ruffian ...
Best
Frank
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