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Subject: Re: Just an idea...

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 06:57:37 12/23/98

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On December 23, 1998 at 09:33:36, Nouveau wrote:

>>The Nunn test has different openings. Could you specify your idea where the
>>difference is?
>
>First, the Nunn test is without opening books, second the Nunn test has "only"
>10 positions.

I know but the idea is the same?

>Let's take an example to clarify :
>
>Theme : King's gambit (I'm an afficionado ;o)
>Players : Hiarcs7, Fritz5.32, Rebel10, Junior5, MChessPro7, Nimzo99, CM6000,
>Genius6
>
>They play a multiple round-robin (white and black for each starting position)
>
>Positions :
> - Fischer defense (1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Nf3 d6)
> - Kiezeretsky (1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Nf3 g5)
> - Modern defense (1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Nf3 d5)
> - Bishop defense (1.e4 e5 2.f4 Bc5)
> - Counter-gambit (1.e4 e5 2.f4 d5)
>
>And with time, why not sub variations ?
>
>For this example, we have, for each program 35 games with white and 35 with
>black that is a good set to discover strengths and weaknesses for this opening.
>Maybe (I insist : _maybe_) would we discover a true King's gambit killer or a
>King's gambit specialist !!! It would be interesting for human player (for
>trainig or studying).
>
>What do you think ?

Where is the difference? It is just abother set of opening positions or do you
want the programs to have opening book still enabled?

>>I am sure but that is what opening book responsibles for commercial chess progs
>>do. They try to find out which openings are bad and which are good for the
>>program.
>
>Does that mean that progs only play openings they "understand" ? They would
>never play the French or the King Indian then ;o)).

It should be; some do, some don't. To have a wider variety some add dubious
moves (for that program) to give the user more fun. MCP e.g. has 2 different
books, one for strongest setting and one with a wider opening repertoire.

>Besides most of the lines
>end with += or = positions that are to be played...well played !

What is good for Kasparow needn't to be good for Genius.

>>Such a difference will always be found in each opening. But I think French and
>>Kings Indian are 2 openings that won't be played well at least for the next 5
>>years.
>
>So we do agree ! It would be interesting to investigate for important openings,
>for fun or study or trainig...
>Jeff

I do/did that too in e-mail computer games, but it is so time-excessive...
Time is all you need but I don't have... =:-|

That's it, merry X-mas for you all



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