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Subject: Re: interference between verified null move R=3 and transposition table

Author: Stuart Cracraft

Date: 19:17:28 07/04/04

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On July 03, 2004 at 17:19:39, Uri Blass wrote:

>On July 03, 2004 at 14:45:24, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>
>>On July 03, 2004 at 07:12:24, David B Weller wrote:
>>
>>>Just a thought -
>>>
>>>When the reduced depth verification search fails high, what depth do you store
>>>in hash? I think it should be original depth, right? Not the reduced depth.
>>>
>>>David
>>
>>I store the original depth in the hashtable after failed failhigh in
>>null move verification.
>>
>>On the other hand, after extensions like pawn to 6th/7th, recapture,
>>and the like, I store the increased depth in the hashtable.
>>
>>Hope this isn't too much against the grain. Still have a ton of bugs.
>>
>>Solve 152 out of 300 of the Win-at-Chess in 1 second though with
>>everything enabled. If I disable null move verification I get 167
>>out of 300 at 1 second.
>>
>>Wonder if null move has this tactical-reducing capability in other
>>programs? -- So that I know if it is working through indirect evidence
>>(besides direct evidence of depth, nodes, etc.)
>>
>>Anyone care to comment about that last question?
>
>I think that if you solve 152 or even 167 out of 300 of the win in chess in 1
>second then you have clearly bigger problem than null move pruning.
>
>Tscp does not support FEN but I guess that even tscp that has no null and no
>hash can get more than 167 out of 300 in one second.
>
>Did you test that pawn to 6/7 extensions help you?
>I do not extend pawn to the 6th.
>
>I think that you did the mistake of implementing a lot of stuff without testing.
>You should implement one thing at a time and test if it is productive.
>
>I suggest that you delete null move and hash and extensions and test again and
>only implement things that help you to score better in WAC.
>
>Uri



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