Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:22:20 07/07/04
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On July 07, 2004 at 22:04:41, Andrew Wagner wrote: >On July 07, 2004 at 21:57:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 07, 2004 at 19:27:13, GuyHaworth wrote: >> >>> >>>There is clearly a lot of interest on this bulletin board in the ICGA WCCC 2004 >>>event in Israel. It is clearly repaying us with some interesting games, >>>incidents and a close contest. >>> >>>Like G-CP and others who would very much like to be there in person, I regret >>>that I have not been able to attend, and have offered my apologies to Omid and >>>colleagues who are doing a first class job with the organisation there. >>> >>>[ In my case, I would not have been able to attend anytime in the last 10 weeks >>>if the event had been anywhere but my home town, but that's life. ] >>> >>> >>> >>>I am happy to receive suggestions for the requirements of an ICGA infrastructure >>>to support ICGA events, and also happy to hear of good examples of such >>>infrastructure, technologies involved, and expertise willing to be involved. >>> >>>I say this not only with my ICGA V-P hat on, but as a Univ lecturer happy to >>>engage suitable CS students in suitable, interesting projects which are required >>>to solve 'real problems' for 'real customers' by the authenticating body (the >>>BCS) in the UK. Email is more convenient for me than CCC but I don't wish to >>>stifle discussion on CCC if that is preferred. >>> >> >> >>This is easy. >> >>1. Set up a LAN at the tournament site, with a local machine running a FICS >>server. >> >>2. Require _all_ entrants to be FICS compatible, so that moves are >>automatically sent between programs with no human intervention, pairing is done >>electronically and games started automatically, clocks managed by the FICS >>server, games recorded by the FICS server, tournament crosstable provided by the >>tournament manager software on the same server, etc... >> >>3. No exceptions allowed. See note 2 above. >> >> > >For the record, I don't think there is any currently available version of the >FICS software which is that sophisticated. Heck, even ICC doesn't start the >games automatically. My guess would be that this entire server program would >have to be written from scratch. No small project, but certainly worthwhile. > Have you played in an ICC tourney lately? IE the "pear" manager does it _all_. Does the pairings. starts the games. Collects the results. Etc. >> >>> >>> >>>However, you will note that Chessbase are included in WCCC2004's sponsors, and >>>are indeed webcasting the event with Boris' commentaries. Chessbase offered to >>>support the ICGA with their technology at Maastricht in 2002 and that offer was >>>welcomed by the Association. We are very grateful for Chessbase's continued >>>interest in the ICGA WCCC and their commitment to webcasting. >>> >> >> >>Fine. It is a proprietary interface, with a proprietary protocol. Let 'em >>webcast all they want, but do the main event in a publicly available protocol to >>prevent one company from "taking over". At ICC, we have had thousands of people >>looking at games at one time, such as the Deep Blue vs Kasparov match. ICGA >>events can't even be seen publicly unless you only run windows and download a >>(what is now free but might not always be since it is commercial) interface for >>that proprietary protocol. >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>Finally, I thank Omid again for performing his many roles in parallel with >>>exercising FALCON very creditably in the event. He has the support of the ICGA >>>personnel there. >>> >>> >>>Guy Haworth >>>VP, ICGA >> >> >> >>Fix the black hole. Nothing is getting out in a timely manner except for >>participants logging in to CCC as they have time. That is almost criminal >>behavior for the "International COMPUTER games association" to not make the >>event available to a COMPUTER network... >> >>It just defies all logic. IBM did it for the DB match, in a way that _anybody_ >>could watch, unix or not. Why can't the ICGA do the same? Why hasn't it _done_ >>it already. It's not like this is a new and novel idea...
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