Author: Andrew Wagner
Date: 19:35:34 07/07/04
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On July 07, 2004 at 22:22:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On July 07, 2004 at 22:04:41, Andrew Wagner wrote: > >>On July 07, 2004 at 21:57:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On July 07, 2004 at 19:27:13, GuyHaworth wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>There is clearly a lot of interest on this bulletin board in the ICGA WCCC 2004 >>>>event in Israel. It is clearly repaying us with some interesting games, >>>>incidents and a close contest. >>>> >>>>Like G-CP and others who would very much like to be there in person, I regret >>>>that I have not been able to attend, and have offered my apologies to Omid and >>>>colleagues who are doing a first class job with the organisation there. >>>> >>>>[ In my case, I would not have been able to attend anytime in the last 10 weeks >>>>if the event had been anywhere but my home town, but that's life. ] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I am happy to receive suggestions for the requirements of an ICGA infrastructure >>>>to support ICGA events, and also happy to hear of good examples of such >>>>infrastructure, technologies involved, and expertise willing to be involved. >>>> >>>>I say this not only with my ICGA V-P hat on, but as a Univ lecturer happy to >>>>engage suitable CS students in suitable, interesting projects which are required >>>>to solve 'real problems' for 'real customers' by the authenticating body (the >>>>BCS) in the UK. Email is more convenient for me than CCC but I don't wish to >>>>stifle discussion on CCC if that is preferred. >>>> >>> >>> >>>This is easy. >>> >>>1. Set up a LAN at the tournament site, with a local machine running a FICS >>>server. >>> >>>2. Require _all_ entrants to be FICS compatible, so that moves are >>>automatically sent between programs with no human intervention, pairing is done >>>electronically and games started automatically, clocks managed by the FICS >>>server, games recorded by the FICS server, tournament crosstable provided by the >>>tournament manager software on the same server, etc... >>> >>>3. No exceptions allowed. See note 2 above. >>> >>> >> >>For the record, I don't think there is any currently available version of the >>FICS software which is that sophisticated. Heck, even ICC doesn't start the >>games automatically. My guess would be that this entire server program would >>have to be written from scratch. No small project, but certainly worthwhile. >> > >Have you played in an ICC tourney lately? IE the "pear" manager does it _all_. >Does the pairings. starts the games. Collects the results. Etc. > > Umm, Bob? Did you forget who you're talking to? I _run_ tournaments on pear. First off, it doesn't start the games automatically, it requires at the least a command from one of the two operators. It also doesn't automatically collect PGN, for example. Not to mention, the ICC software is far more advanced than FICS (though I don't know specifically much about FICS tournaments), and is not open source. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>However, you will note that Chessbase are included in WCCC2004's sponsors, and >>>>are indeed webcasting the event with Boris' commentaries. Chessbase offered to >>>>support the ICGA with their technology at Maastricht in 2002 and that offer was >>>>welcomed by the Association. We are very grateful for Chessbase's continued >>>>interest in the ICGA WCCC and their commitment to webcasting. >>>> >>> >>> >>>Fine. It is a proprietary interface, with a proprietary protocol. Let 'em >>>webcast all they want, but do the main event in a publicly available protocol to >>>prevent one company from "taking over". At ICC, we have had thousands of people >>>looking at games at one time, such as the Deep Blue vs Kasparov match. ICGA >>>events can't even be seen publicly unless you only run windows and download a >>>(what is now free but might not always be since it is commercial) interface for >>>that proprietary protocol. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Finally, I thank Omid again for performing his many roles in parallel with >>>>exercising FALCON very creditably in the event. He has the support of the ICGA >>>>personnel there. >>>> >>>> >>>>Guy Haworth >>>>VP, ICGA >>> >>> >>> >>>Fix the black hole. Nothing is getting out in a timely manner except for >>>participants logging in to CCC as they have time. That is almost criminal >>>behavior for the "International COMPUTER games association" to not make the >>>event available to a COMPUTER network... >>> >>>It just defies all logic. IBM did it for the DB match, in a way that _anybody_ >>>could watch, unix or not. Why can't the ICGA do the same? Why hasn't it _done_ >>>it already. It's not like this is a new and novel idea...
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