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Subject: Re: WCCC Hardware Uniformity

Author: Bryan Cabalo

Date: 19:59:07 07/07/04

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On July 07, 2004 at 22:08:20, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 07, 2004 at 19:27:11, Bryan Cabalo wrote:
>
>>Why doesn't everyone run their competitive chess programs with the same hardware
>>so that no single chess engine has a hardware advantage?
>>
>>It seems unfair to me that some competitors have access to faster and better
>>hardware.  I would think of it as a science experiment where the only variable
>>is the chess engine itself and _not_ the hardware that its running on.  That is
>>the real test.  I want to see the real winner of this event competing on equal
>>hardware playing grounds.  I think this would help with hardware uniformity in
>>future WCCC events.  There has to be something in the rules about playing with
>>equal hardware.  Maybe after this year the WCCC could supply the use of one
>>computer for each participant, or even quad opterons for each participant!!
>
>flawed idea.  What about the program that can't use more than one CPU?  What
>about the program written in assembly language, say for a SPARC, or for an
>ITANIUM, or even a CRAY?
>
>Pick an architecture and you will certainly exclude a sub-set of possible
>players.
>
>A uniform-platform event is an interesting idea.  But then again so is a "bring
>the biggest hammer you can find" event.

Here then, the biggest hammer would be a cluster of computers utilized for a
distributed search.  A chess program that makes use of multiple processors
dedicated to finding the best move, kind of like what Stanford is doing with
their distributed protien folding project: http://folding.stanford.edu/.  Could
this quite possibly be what Deep Junior is using?!  Again, seems like a huge
advantage to have if this is the case!

>IE would you want to exclude Deep Blue
>were it still playing?  It had its own special hardware.  What about Belle?
>What about the more recent Brutus with its special hardware?
>

That's true.

>
>>
>>After all, we are just testing which chess search program is better, right?
>
>Not necessarily.  We also want to know which chess _player_ is better.  And the
>player is composed of both the program _and_ the hardware...

Okay, so bottom line SDDF says which 0x86 compiled chess playing _program_ is
the computer chess champion because they test these programs on equal hardware.
WCCC says which overall chess playing _system_ is the computer chess champion:
program, compiler, hardware, operator are included.  I dig that.



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