Author: Andrew Wagner
Date: 10:33:08 07/08/04
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On July 07, 2004 at 23:18:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On July 07, 2004 at 22:35:34, Andrew Wagner wrote: > >>On July 07, 2004 at 22:22:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On July 07, 2004 at 22:04:41, Andrew Wagner wrote: >>> >>>>On July 07, 2004 at 21:57:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 07, 2004 at 19:27:13, GuyHaworth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>There is clearly a lot of interest on this bulletin board in the ICGA WCCC 2004 >>>>>>event in Israel. It is clearly repaying us with some interesting games, >>>>>>incidents and a close contest. >>>>>> >>>>>>Like G-CP and others who would very much like to be there in person, I regret >>>>>>that I have not been able to attend, and have offered my apologies to Omid and >>>>>>colleagues who are doing a first class job with the organisation there. >>>>>> >>>>>>[ In my case, I would not have been able to attend anytime in the last 10 weeks >>>>>>if the event had been anywhere but my home town, but that's life. ] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I am happy to receive suggestions for the requirements of an ICGA infrastructure >>>>>>to support ICGA events, and also happy to hear of good examples of such >>>>>>infrastructure, technologies involved, and expertise willing to be involved. >>>>>> >>>>>>I say this not only with my ICGA V-P hat on, but as a Univ lecturer happy to >>>>>>engage suitable CS students in suitable, interesting projects which are required >>>>>>to solve 'real problems' for 'real customers' by the authenticating body (the >>>>>>BCS) in the UK. Email is more convenient for me than CCC but I don't wish to >>>>>>stifle discussion on CCC if that is preferred. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>This is easy. >>>>> >>>>>1. Set up a LAN at the tournament site, with a local machine running a FICS >>>>>server. >>>>> >>>>>2. Require _all_ entrants to be FICS compatible, so that moves are >>>>>automatically sent between programs with no human intervention, pairing is done >>>>>electronically and games started automatically, clocks managed by the FICS >>>>>server, games recorded by the FICS server, tournament crosstable provided by the >>>>>tournament manager software on the same server, etc... >>>>> >>>>>3. No exceptions allowed. See note 2 above. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>For the record, I don't think there is any currently available version of the >>>>FICS software which is that sophisticated. Heck, even ICC doesn't start the >>>>games automatically. My guess would be that this entire server program would >>>>have to be written from scratch. No small project, but certainly worthwhile. >>>> >>> >>>Have you played in an ICC tourney lately? IE the "pear" manager does it _all_. >>>Does the pairings. starts the games. Collects the results. Etc. >>> >>> >> >>Umm, Bob? Did you forget who you're talking to? I _run_ tournaments on pear. > >My error. I was thinking of "mamer" although I think there is another one that >can auto-start games... > > >>First off, it doesn't start the games automatically, it requires at the least a >>command from one of the two operators. It also doesn't automatically collect >>PGN, for example. Not to mention, the ICC software is far more advanced than >>FICS (though I don't know specifically much about FICS tournaments), and is not >>open source. > >ICC collects the PGN just fine. Pear and others report standings, crosstables, >etc as the games are finished... > > ICC collects the PGN, but pear doesn't. In other words, there's no way to say "give me all the PGN scores from such-and-such a tournament". Anyway, the real point here is that what you're suggesting isn't a simple process of loading an existing server program onto a box and letting it rip. There's quite a bit of work involved. > > >> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>However, you will note that Chessbase are included in WCCC2004's sponsors, and >>>>>>are indeed webcasting the event with Boris' commentaries. Chessbase offered to >>>>>>support the ICGA with their technology at Maastricht in 2002 and that offer was >>>>>>welcomed by the Association. We are very grateful for Chessbase's continued >>>>>>interest in the ICGA WCCC and their commitment to webcasting. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Fine. It is a proprietary interface, with a proprietary protocol. Let 'em >>>>>webcast all they want, but do the main event in a publicly available protocol to >>>>>prevent one company from "taking over". At ICC, we have had thousands of people >>>>>looking at games at one time, such as the Deep Blue vs Kasparov match. ICGA >>>>>events can't even be seen publicly unless you only run windows and download a >>>>>(what is now free but might not always be since it is commercial) interface for >>>>>that proprietary protocol. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Finally, I thank Omid again for performing his many roles in parallel with >>>>>>exercising FALCON very creditably in the event. He has the support of the ICGA >>>>>>personnel there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Guy Haworth >>>>>>VP, ICGA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Fix the black hole. Nothing is getting out in a timely manner except for >>>>>participants logging in to CCC as they have time. That is almost criminal >>>>>behavior for the "International COMPUTER games association" to not make the >>>>>event available to a COMPUTER network... >>>>> >>>>>It just defies all logic. IBM did it for the DB match, in a way that _anybody_ >>>>>could watch, unix or not. Why can't the ICGA do the same? Why hasn't it _done_ >>>>>it already. It's not like this is a new and novel idea...
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