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Subject: Re: Diep-Crafty

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:16:46 07/09/04

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On July 09, 2004 at 08:38:43, Arturo Ochoa wrote:

>On July 09, 2004 at 08:30:45, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>
>>On July 09, 2004 at 06:59:05, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>Crafty show advantage of 1-2 pawns with black and diep in time trouble
>>>I heard Vincent complaining that Crafty never does the expected moves.
>>>
>>>It seems that there is going to be another original excuse for diep failures.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Uri, it is a fact that Diep beated pretty easily Movei. I was online and I
>>looking the game and I did not see Diepeveen saying anything.

This is not the point
I usually do not say that people who lose will have another excuse after the
game.
The point is that Vincent never apologized about previous behaviour when he
attacked Crafty and call it primitive evaluation and it is only one of many
attacks.

If I read Vincent apologizing about his behaviour I will not try to joke about
Vincent's loses.

Treating other people in the way that was done by Vincent can cause people to
joke about Vincent's losses.

>>
>>What is more, Vincent told me that Peter Berger had done a very good work with
>>the Crafty Book. So, I do not understand your behavior.
>>
>>Yesterday, you lost. Today, I do not know. Crafty played a better endgame and
>>won. Good for Crafty.
>>
>>So, what is your point?
>
>If we speak about bad losers. We can refer to all your messages. "The Machine
>crashing", "Arena is not a good gui", etc.......

1)Machine crashing is a report about what happened and I do not claim that movei
could score better without it.
Giving the information may be productive because maybe some people will help
me with good advice how to prevent it.

2)Arena was not an excuse and I never claimed that it changed the result.
I simply did not like the fact that I could not see movei draw decleration.

I noticed the draw by repetition by myself and wondered why I could not see it
in movei decleration and only after looking again in the screen I found that the
decleration is in another place in the screen and is a decleration of arena.

Note that I could see movei draw decleration in the logfile later.
In winboard I never saw the same problem and winboard give the engines to play
including draw by repetition claims.



>
>I do not see Diepeveen filling this Forum with excuses. Instead, you..... are
>plenly of excuses......
>
>What is your point?

All the programs that  beated movei are stronger than movei and I did not claim
the opposite.

Vincent claimed in the past that Diep is better than Crafty and even claimed
that Crafty has primitive evaluation and as far as I know he never apologized
about it.

Uri



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