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Subject: Re: Diep-Crafty "Diepeveen"

Author: Arturo Ochoa

Date: 17:57:23 07/09/04

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On July 09, 2004 at 19:49:49, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On July 09, 2004 at 16:21:13, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>
>>On July 09, 2004 at 14:57:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On July 09, 2004 at 11:50:46, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 09, 2004 at 11:48:15, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 09, 2004 at 11:17:45, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 09, 2004 at 10:51:57, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>you still can't get it. Let me explain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You asked why people made jokes, or were laughing at Diepeveen, although Vincent
>>>>>>>>didn't say a single word here in these days. Then these people answer you that
>>>>>>>>this is true but that Vincent formerly always wnt on tangents and insulted
>>>>>>>>Crafty and its author (will you deny that?) and THEREFORE they are NOW laughing
>>>>>>>>at Diepeveen. It has nothing to do with what Vincent had said in the last two
>>>>>>>>days or such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Are you crazy or mad? I have not denied anything. Where is your head flying?  My
>>>>>>>position has always been against of laughing the people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Instead, I have been laughing and creating nonsense durin the las days on your
>>>>>>>behalf. Thefore, what is your point?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Again, perhaps you learn to read: I dont underestimate the work of anybody, I
>>>>>>>dont laugh about the work done by somebody. What do you have in your head?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>DIEP. But it's simply not good enough to be able to equalize the advantages of
>>>>>>>>the three top programs. Perhaps next time. Your both ages speak in your favor.
>>>>>>>>All others are much more old aged... The future is yours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Again, I have not attacked anybody. Why dont you know to read? Nobody is talking
>>>>>>>about how good the "top" programs are. I was going to comment this specific game
>>>>>>>between Diep and Crafty. and then you began with your garbage agian. What hell
>>>>>>>do you com from? Why does your paranoid mind create flames everywhere?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Have you read what I have written here? There is no attacks there... What is
>>>>>>>your obsession? I dont understand why your mind is filled with ghosts?  Can you
>>>>>>>write antyhing with any sense?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your language betrays you. You've not attacked Uri, I see. <ggg>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not really. If you begin a war you can expect reactions. If you respect, you
>>>>>will be respected. You dont still understand the point.
>>>>
>>>>I dont attack Uri. I said: What is the relation between the Diepeveen's topic
>>>>and the Movei games?
>>>>
>>>>??????? The relation belongs to other dimension????? ;)))
>>>
>>>
>>>Here is a sample from ICC, just written by Vincent.  This gives you an idea of
>>>the kind of comments Uri was talking about:
>>>
>>>quote on------------------------
>>>DIEP(C)(64): so it was another show that you can only lose to crafty when you
>>>play real bad
>>>quote off-----------------------
>>>
>>>That was when someone asked him about his "endgame problem" in today's game.
>>>
>>>It's that kind of continual misinformation and put-down that earns him so much
>>>rancor here.  When I lost to Junior, I simply said "I got out-played".  No "The
>>>only way Junior could win was if I played terribly.."
>>>
>>>Note that I didn't take part in the above ICC channel 64 discussion and did not
>>>respond or comment in any way.  Seemed totally pointless to do so...
>>
>>You have read some of my notes about the Diep-Crafty game. I think should be
>>clear about my position (Am I wrong?). People criticizes and attacks such
>>Diepeveen's actions that I am against with too.
>>
>>However, if people begin again and again provocating and creating flames, you
>>cannot be as a rock all the time. Remember, that you created long threads with
>>your personal battle with Diepeveen. If people think that they have the same
>>rights to attack, to joke, to laugh about Diep, they will find me.
>>
>>As this Mr Rolf laughed about the first posting of Omar informing the results of
>>the WCC2004, he has done the same thing again and again with Diepeveen, Diep and
>>the book's responsible. I dont have to stand the insults of anybody as you dont
>>have to do it either.
>>
>>If Mr. X, Mr Rolfs, Mr...... wants to do it, they know what they will find.
>
>You say what?
>
>Arturo,
>I can swear here before the whole CCC audience that I did NEVER do that what you
>implied above. I did neither laugh about DIEP, nor Diepeveen nor Arturo Ochoa,
>nor about Omid, please spell his name correctly, or do you mean Amir, but also
>about him I did NOT laugh, nor did I make jokes about any of the mentioned
>persons.
>
>This is an official statement!! No tongue in cheek, no joking.
>
>Please provide us with the necessary data, message numbers will suffice, so that
>everybody can see who's telling falsehood here. My verdict is already clear. I
>didn't do that what you implied above. Perhaps you confuse me with someone else.
>
>Again, at the beginning of this WCCC in Israel I did NOT joke about Omid,
>Vincent or Arturo or any other author or co-worker! Period!
>
>The only think I did, and that was the reason for the whole confusion, I
>explained to you what the message of Albert Silver meant. That it was joking,
>that it was a satire and no real critic! And after I has sent this message you,
>Arturo, went wild against me. Ok, I had also criticised your vocabulary in
>answering Albert, and therefore you insulted me with fantasies about my past. My
>reaction was to read Google. - This is the whole story.
>
>So please come forward with the number of messages where I should have ridiculed
>authors or co-workers of the Israel WCCC.
>
>Thanks so far and please no further insults or false allegations please.
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>>By the way, I think that I have anything clear with you and all the other
>>authors..... Otherwise, you know my internet email......



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