Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 18:08:49 07/09/04
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On July 09, 2004 at 21:03:22, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On July 09, 2004 at 20:42:38, Arturo Ochoa wrote: > >>On July 09, 2004 at 19:49:49, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>On July 09, 2004 at 16:21:13, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>> >>>>On July 09, 2004 at 14:57:03, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 09, 2004 at 11:50:46, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 09, 2004 at 11:48:15, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On July 09, 2004 at 11:17:45, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On July 09, 2004 at 10:51:57, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>you still can't get it. Let me explain. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>You asked why people made jokes, or were laughing at Diepeveen, although Vincent >>>>>>>>>>didn't say a single word here in these days. Then these people answer you that >>>>>>>>>>this is true but that Vincent formerly always wnt on tangents and insulted >>>>>>>>>>Crafty and its author (will you deny that?) and THEREFORE they are NOW laughing >>>>>>>>>>at Diepeveen. It has nothing to do with what Vincent had said in the last two >>>>>>>>>>days or such. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Are you crazy or mad? I have not denied anything. Where is your head flying? My >>>>>>>>>position has always been against of laughing the people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Instead, I have been laughing and creating nonsense durin the las days on your >>>>>>>>>behalf. Thefore, what is your point? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Again, perhaps you learn to read: I dont underestimate the work of anybody, I >>>>>>>>>dont laugh about the work done by somebody. What do you have in your head? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>DIEP. But it's simply not good enough to be able to equalize the advantages of >>>>>>>>>>the three top programs. Perhaps next time. Your both ages speak in your favor. >>>>>>>>>>All others are much more old aged... The future is yours. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Again, I have not attacked anybody. Why dont you know to read? Nobody is talking >>>>>>>>>about how good the "top" programs are. I was going to comment this specific game >>>>>>>>>between Diep and Crafty. and then you began with your garbage agian. What hell >>>>>>>>>do you com from? Why does your paranoid mind create flames everywhere? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Have you read what I have written here? There is no attacks there... What is >>>>>>>>>your obsession? I dont understand why your mind is filled with ghosts? Can you >>>>>>>>>write antyhing with any sense? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Your language betrays you. You've not attacked Uri, I see. <ggg> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Not really. If you begin a war you can expect reactions. If you respect, you >>>>>>>will be respected. You dont still understand the point. >>>>>> >>>>>>I dont attack Uri. I said: What is the relation between the Diepeveen's topic >>>>>>and the Movei games? >>>>>> >>>>>>??????? The relation belongs to other dimension????? ;))) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Here is a sample from ICC, just written by Vincent. This gives you an idea of >>>>>the kind of comments Uri was talking about: >>>>> >>>>>quote on------------------------ >>>>>DIEP(C)(64): so it was another show that you can only lose to crafty when you >>>>>play real bad >>>>>quote off----------------------- >>>>> >>>>>That was when someone asked him about his "endgame problem" in today's game. >>>>> >>>>>It's that kind of continual misinformation and put-down that earns him so much >>>>>rancor here. When I lost to Junior, I simply said "I got out-played". No "The >>>>>only way Junior could win was if I played terribly.." >>>>> >>>>>Note that I didn't take part in the above ICC channel 64 discussion and did not >>>>>respond or comment in any way. Seemed totally pointless to do so... >>>> >>>>You have read some of my notes about the Diep-Crafty game. I think should be >>>>clear about my position (Am I wrong?). People criticizes and attacks such >>>>Diepeveen's actions that I am against with too. >>>> >>>>However, if people begin again and again provocating and creating flames, you >>>>cannot be as a rock all the time. Remember, that you created long threads with >>>>your personal battle with Diepeveen. If people think that they have the same >>>>rights to attack, to joke, to laugh about Diep, they will find me. >>>> >>>>As this Mr Rolf laughed about the first posting of Omar informing the results of >>>>the WCC2004, he has done the same thing again and again with Diepeveen, Diep and >>>>the book's responsible. I dont have to stand the insults of anybody as you dont >>>>have to do it either. >>>> >>>>If Mr. X, Mr Rolfs, Mr...... wants to do it, they know what they will find. >>> >>>You say what? >>> >>>Arturo, >>>I can swear here before the whole CCC audience that I did NEVER do that what you >>>implied above. I did neither laugh about DIEP, nor Diepeveen nor Arturo Ochoa, >>>nor about Omid, please spell his name correctly, or do you mean Amir, but also >>>about him I did NOT laugh, nor did I make jokes about any of the mentioned >>>persons. >>> >>>This is an official statement!! No tongue in cheek, no joking. >>> >>>Please provide us with the necessary data, message numbers will suffice, so that >>>everybody can see who's telling falsehood here. My verdict is already clear. I >>>didn't do that what you implied above. Perhaps you confuse me with someone else. >>> >>>Again, at the beginning of this WCCC in Israel I did NOT joke about Omid, >>>Vincent or Arturo or any other author or co-worker! Period! >>> >>>The only think I did, and that was the reason for the whole confusion, I >>>explained to you what the message of Albert Silver meant. That it was joking, >>>that it was a satire and no real critic! And after I has sent this message you, >>>Arturo, went wild against me. Ok, I had also criticised your vocabulary in >>>answering Albert, and therefore you insulted me with fantasies about my past. My >>>reaction was to read Google. - This is the whole story. >>> >>>So please come forward with the number of messages where I should have ridiculed >>>authors or co-workers of the Israel WCCC. >>> >>>Thanks so far and please no further insults or false allegations please. >>> >>> >>> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>The message that proves was deleted by one of the moderators..... This is the >>email to the moderators..... >>----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>From: "Richard Pijl" <richard.pijl@wanadoo.nl> Add to Address Book >>To: "Arturo Ochoa" <arturo_ochoa_xxi@yahoo.com> >>Subject: Re: CCC Moderator E-mail >>CC: ccc@talkchess.com >>Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:14:44 +0200 (CEST) >> >> >>Post is deleted. >> >>Richard Pijl. >> >> >>======================================== >>Message date : 05-07-2004 13:07 >>From : "Arturo Ochoa" >>To : richard.pijl@wanadoo.nl >>Copy to : >>Subject : CCC Moderator E-mail >>[ name: ] Arturo Ochoa >>[ email: ] arturo_ochoa_xxi@yahoo.com >>[ body: ] >>Greetings: >> >>You always complain when I must reply rudely to some people. >> >>Please, do you think that this is a message from a mental sane (healthy) person? >> >>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?374071 >> >>Hopefully, you will atend my request to delete this message. >> >>Regards, Arturo Ochoa M. >> >>[ user: ] AOchoa >> >>--- >>This message was sent to you by 200.84.125.136 >>on Mon Jul 5 11:07:04 2004 (GMT >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>You know that the Moderators have deleted several messages.... So, if you want >>to face me in another level of confrontations, I am ready. >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >You say what? > >Please provide the text of that message. All I know is that a whole thread was >deleted. But I dont have the text of it. If you can give the text then we can >debate. If the text is still here then the number is sufficient but if the text >isn't here anymore then the mere number says nothing. In special it can't say >what someone has written. So please, you have my email, send me the text I will >consider whatt an to do. But - if the message was just deleted because the >thread was deleted then I dont know what I should have done wrong. > You say that???? If you want to begin another endless thread, I am ready. If you want to attack me, I am ready. If you want to stop the nonsense, I am ready. If you want to make more critical the confrontation, I am ready. You have the email here. They deleted the message. I cannot save every crap that you have said during the last 7 days. >I think most of the messages were deleted at the time because you had started to >talk about a court case (I will no longer mention the name of the mentioned man) >and I brought my version. That topic was the reason for the deletion. NOT that I >should have ridiculed Diep or you. But again show me the text and we will see. This man doesnt know how to read. The MESSAGE WAS DELETED by the Moderators. Where is your head?
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