Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 08:29:04 07/10/04
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On July 10, 2004 at 09:44:18, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>On July 10, 2004 at 08:51:58, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
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>>On July 09, 2004 at 21:29:04, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
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>>>On July 09, 2004 at 21:21:44, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
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>>>>Ok, Arturo, listen,
>>>>
>>>>I will contact the mods tomorrow and I will ask them what messages they had
>>>>deleted and then we will see if I wrote what you claimed this "are you really
>>>>Omid" etc. I didn't write such things.
>>>>
>>>>Again the mods deleted a thread from both of us where you had attacked me for my
>>>>rgcc past and where I defended and explained how the past really was. BTW all
>>>>could be read in Google.
>>>>
>>>>Here you continue your insults what proves that one cannot debate rationally
>>>>with the Diep people.
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>>>Where are the insults? I have to repeat one thing 5 times since you dont want to
>>>read what I am explaining.
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>>Dear Arturo,
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>Remove the word dear from here. You are not welcome in my country.
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>>you ask where the insults are? And you think you can hide it because some
>>messages were deleted indeed? And you also hope that you can claim whatever you
>>wanted if you know that a message was deleted? Claim of anything that could have
>>been written in such a deleted message? - This is very wrong, Arturo.
>>
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>I am not hidding anything. Two months ago, I had missed a point with Uri Blass
>and I apologized. However, I dont have to apologize about anything
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>>Here is a little quote of the very beginning of our dispute. You had answered on
>>Albert S. Read what you have written to him. This is a 100% insult. Now, what I
>>was doing, was simply to explain to you how that was insulting. But you didn't
>>want to listen and insulted me with almost the same pseudo psychiatry. This is
>>maybe for you an allowed pattern in a debatge, but in real this is insultive.
>>Just read yourself the following quote and make up your mind if you had the
>>right to insult these people. I don't think so.
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>>Arturo to Albert:
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>>People with pathologies of inferiority is real problem here. Go to the asylum,
>>please.
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>Since you mix our personal confrontation with the message of Mr. S.... and you
>pretend to hide that you begun all the problem. Here, it goes:
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>Albert to Diep:
>"You've heard of those nonsense posts on "what if a program like Junior were to
>run on the Deep Blue hardware?". Well, this is a similar experiment with the
>Chess Challenger software running on hardware that is thousands if not millions
>of times faster.
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>A lot of people don't realize the meaning of the DIEP acronym, mistakenly
>thinking it has something to do with the author's name: Diminished Intellect
>Experimental Program."
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>If you dont understand (I think I have repeated this about 30 times), this es a
>cheap and very offensive insult in my country. Since, you support what Mr. S
>posted, you have the same attitude.
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>>Rolf to Arturo:
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>>I didn't know that you are a book author _and_ psychologist. Albert was never in
>>danger to hide inferiority complexes with a low-levelled insulting vocabulary...
>>However I know some cases as a professional psychologist!
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>I dont know if you are a psychologist or no. I must admit that you can confuse
>the normal people with your mixture of incoherent ideas.
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>Let´s point out what Mr. S wrote y you forget the elements after 5 seconds:
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>Albert to Diep:
>"You've heard of those nonsense posts on "what if a program like Junior were to
>run on the Deep Blue hardware?". Well, this is a similar experiment with the
>Chess Challenger software running on hardware that is thousands if not millions
>of times faster.
>
>A lot of people don't realize the meaning of the DIEP acronym, mistakenly
>thinking it has something to do with the author's name: Diminished Intellect
>Experimental Program."
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>If you dont understand (I think I have repeated this about 30 times), this es a
>cheap and very offensive insult in my country. Since, you support what Mr. S
>posted, you have the same attitude.
>
>(Twice in this post, so you can understand)
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>>WHERE WAS HERE THE INSULT??
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>>Arturo to Rolf (this time even a bigger inslut than to Albert):
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>>Finally the two pieces of horror have gotten together. There must be a jailbreak
>>from the asylum.
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>>THIS WAS INSULTIVEE AND INHUMAN (calling human beings "pieces")
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>After, Mr. S wrote his "good" comment, of course, I replied. You have spend 5
>days in all this crap... I did not begin the attacks and you begun in another
>thread that was deleted. Again, the email of the moderator:
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>Of course, your style is more rude and more offensive. I am clear of that. The
>message was deleted and I dont have the text. The link is there. Period.
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>I dont want anything from you. You have cause enough waste of time. What I must
>learn is to ignore people like you. You dont deserve any attention.
>
>Again, this is the email sent to the moderators:
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>From: "Richard Pijl" <richard.pijl@wanadoo.nl> Add to Address Book
>To: "Arturo Ochoa" <arturo_ochoa_xxi@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: CCC Moderator E-mail
>CC: ccc@talkchess.com
>Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 16:14:44 +0200 (CEST)
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>Post is deleted.
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>Richard Pijl.
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>Message date : 05-07-2004 13:07
>From : "Arturo Ochoa"
>To : richard.pijl@wanadoo.nl
>Copy to :
>Subject : CCC Moderator E-mail
>[ name: ] Arturo Ochoa
>[ email: ] arturo_ochoa_xxi@yahoo.com
>[ body: ]
>Greetings:
>
>You always complain when I must reply rudely to some people.
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>Please, do you think that this is a message from a mental sane (healthy) person?
>
>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?374071
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>Hopefully, you will atend my request to delete this message.
>
>Regards, Arturo Ochoa M.
>
>[ user: ] AOchoa
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>This message was sent to you by 200.84.125.136
>on Mon Jul 5 11:07:04 2004 (GMT).
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>Such link was deleted and it was on July 5th and it was the originator of the
>cnfrontation. Again, I dont have problems.... People like you must be confronted
>in the same terms.
>
>(five times that I have repeated the same thing)
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>>Rolf to Arturo (this time really sarcastic!):
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>>Self-knowledge is the first step to self-improvement. I will consider that
>>positively in my final judgements about you.
>>
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>>Arturo to Rolf:
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>I am not in the know of your intentions about attacking Diep and the reason of
>your insultive messages. However, a sequence of persons has been insulting and
>underestimateting the work done by Diepeveen. You are not different to this
>matter.
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>What can you expect? (20 times....) If you dont respect, dont expect to be
>respect. The respect begins at your home.
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>>It is impossible to deal with mental insanes. Of course, hopefully, you will be
>>jailed again in your asylum asap.
>>
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>>THIS IS AGAIN EXTREMLY INSULTIVE (terms like jail, asylum, mental insane)
>>
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>>Rolf to Arturo:
>>
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>>Since when are you allowed to deal with human beings? In my case I'm officially
>>allowed for over 25 years right now. Approximately since your birthday... Just
>>let it go, Artur. Let's just respect each other.
>>
>>(This is a calm and knowledgable answer. Nothing insultive etc.)
>>
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>Mr. S(ilver) begin the thread, they called me lunatic and fanatic. I replied n
>the same level as I have been replying you in the same tone. You decided to
>support the position of Mr. S. Face the consequences.
>
>Nothing insultive...... but...... I know where you are going for.....
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Don't shout if you want to write your opinions! This post here is a marvelous
proof for what I diagnosed. Albert began it with a satirical remark. Arturo
misunderstood it as an insult. Arturo, this is simply out of any reasonable
context. Because you always speak about your country, let me tell you that in
Europe at least it's bad if you can't differentiate satire & joking and insults.
If you fall into that trap you're lost. A satire isn't insultive per definition.
You must learn that. Albert then wrote something nasty because he simply
couldn't understand why someone here in CCC couldn't understand a satire. So,
then it was most unwanted that you insulted him as a lunatic running away from
asylum.
I saw that and made some funny remarks about it. That however wasn't insultive
either. So your reaction, that you insulted me now as a lunatic too was most
unwanted and wrong.
Don't you see the cause and the effect chain? You have a misunderstanding and
others are responsible for that? And where did I laugh about Diep or you? You
were completely unknown for me before your nice misunderstanding here in CCC. VD
of course has been known since long.
I am of a completely different generation than you. Isn't it allowed to smile
about someone who misunderstands a satirical remark and becomes insultive? I
thought I could help you to get a better understanding. Honestly that was my
sole dedication. Instead of thankyou I was insulted as being a lunatic... Isn't
it a bit evil that experience?
But this now is really my last post to you; you have simply not the necessary
understanding and we both are very weak in our English. I learned it at school
and that is almost 50 years ago. Too late to make improvements now. At least for
me. As a psychologist I saw now for several times how you are trying to argue.
Ok, you're defending yourself. Normal thing to do. But you confuse cause and
effect. If I make a little joke about the proven stubborness of someone, I don't
expect to be insulted as lunatic. I know how lunatics are. They are not like me
at least. Because normally it is my job to diagnose if other people are
lunatics. - So please, because you didn't apologize, I simply end this
communication. For the best of both of us.
All the best for your good work on Diep. Please don't forget to delete this cxd5
move in Diep's book... ;)
With best wishes from Europe, Rolf
+++++++++++++Finito+++++++++++++++++++
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>>So, Arturo, do you see where the insults came from? And who just reacted with a
>>smiling sarcasm? I think you can't deny that you brought the insults into the
>>debate.
>>
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>I must mentioned again the email, I did not begin the confrontation. Another
>thread deleted by the moderator on July 5th and it is not related with the Mr. S
>messages. Again the date of my email.
>
>
>Message date : 05-07-2004 13:07
>From : "Arturo Ochoa"
>To : richard.pijl@wanadoo.nl
>Copy to :
>Subject : CCC Moderator E-mail
>[ name: ] Arturo Ochoa
>[ email: ] arturo_ochoa_xxi@yahoo.com
>[ body: ]
>Greetings:
>
>You always complain when I must reply rudely to some people.
>
>Please, do you think that this is a message from a mental sane (healthy) person?
>
>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?374071
>
>Hopefully, you will atend my request to delete this message.
>
>Regards, Arturo Ochoa M.
>
>[ user: ] AOchoa
>
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>This message was sent to you by 200.84.125.136
>on Mon Jul 5 11:07:04 2004 (GMT).
>
>Such link was deleted and it was on July 5th and it was the originator of the
>cnfrontation. Again, I dont have problems.... People like you must be confronted
>in the same terms.
>
>(five times that I have repeated the same thing)
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>>>You have all these flame for 5 days and now you pretend that I am calm. Come on,
>>>sir. What kind of person can be so patient with your person?
>>>
>>>Let´s continue the concert. I am ready in any level.
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