Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 10:26:51 07/10/04
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On July 10, 2004 at 13:05:50, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>On July 10, 2004 at 12:08:23, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>
>>>Don't shout if you want to write your opinions! This post here is a marvelous
>>>proof for what I diagnosed. Albert began it with a satirical remark. Arturo
>>>misunderstood it as an insult. Arturo, this is simply out of any reasonable
>>>context. Because you always speak about your country, let me tell you that in
>>>Europe at least it's bad if you can't differentiate satire & joking and insults.
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>Because this is my last post to you I give you some advice for free. This making
>of ///////// this is shouting and this is regarded as offensive and impolite. It
>is like using Capital Letters.
>
>
It has been your last post for 5 days. So, who can believe that you will close
the door of nonsenses?!
>
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>>Satire: a way of talking or writing about something in wich you deliberately
>>make them funny so people will see their faults.
>
>
>You are not that badly informed. It is about faults. It is about making clear
>where the faults are. It is NOT insultive. Because in special we in chess know
>that it is all about faults and their funny exploitation. But it's not about
>insults.
>
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>>It is evident that you do not understand the meaning of this. The person who has
>>been out of context, dimension and ubication is you. Nobody has the right to
>>make funny the works of others. If you do that, you think that it is _funny_ to
>>satire a Diep fault and makes publicly Diep as a stupid thing, you are out of
>>order, out of context and out of this planet.
>
>
>Nope, I do NOT think that Diep is a stupid thing but I think that it's a good
>thing to publish the faults in the arguments of the Diep people. Criticism is
>the base of all science. It is really a psychological thing for people who can't
>stand that their faults are reveiled. They fantasize as if they could get rid of
>their faults if they weren't published... But the funny thing is [and that is a
>so-called REAL-SATIRE, a German expression] they they themselves had made public
Now, you redefine and reinvent a new definition of satire. What a contradiction?
Order your ideas. Over the last 5 days, you have been writing more nonsense that
any president in 5 years. I dont really mind now what you think. Your
psycological world must have left somwhere in a lost world.
In concrete, you supported the Mr. S. ideas and you began all this nonsense 5
days ago. Face your mistakes. Respect yourself and respect the people so people
can respect you.
>their faults!!! Normally nobody must have commented because you yourself have
>made all clear for everybody who can read. A mega fault is certainly if someone
>takes a satirical remark and claims of having been insulted and then is
>insulting back, that is not clever. Sorry, but this is all basic logic and
>psychology. I didn't invent these things.
>
That is not clever the nonsense and your contradictory position. I must accept a
new definition of satire where I can look like stupid and you are free to write
what you want.
>So, that was it. Case closed. No need to answer, I'm away now. I won't respond
>also if you make new insults. All that doesn't matter anymore. I hold it like
>Bob with Vincent. It's really not worth it. It makes no sense. Rational people
>would be happy to learn something new, to learn from their own faults. This is
>not something you must be ashamed of. We all must learn, no matter how old we
>are. If we stop learning then we have stopped progressing. Everyone is entitled
>to make his own faults and iff he doesn't like criticism then it's also fine
>with me. But don't expect me to explain something to you anymore. The third
>time at last it becomes my own fault if I'ld do it. So better stopping it here.
>
> +++++++Finito++++++
> +++++++TheEnd++++++
There is nothing rational in your messages. So, why must I be logic with a
person who has been bothering for 5 days? Your redifinition of satire is
incoherent and dont pretend that I can understand how you disguise your insults.
++++ Continue your childish game ++++
++++ Epilog II +++++++++++++++++++++++++
Question: Will it be the last nonsense message of Mr. R? Who knows....
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>>>If you fall into that trap you're lost. A satire isn't insultive per definition.
>>>You must learn that. Albert then wrote something nasty because he simply
>>>couldn't understand why someone here in CCC couldn't understand a satire. So,
>>>then it was most unwanted that you insulted him as a lunatic running away from
>>>asylum.
>>>
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>>No, you are in you own trap. You have been saying all kind of craps over the
>>last 5 years. What must I stand you behavior?
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>>>I saw that and made some funny remarks about it. That however wasn't insultive
>>>either. So your reaction, that you insulted me now as a lunatic too was most
>>>unwanted and wrong.
>>>
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>>It is only funny for your head that others looks like stupid. Every time that
>>anybody does that, I will react in the same tone. Everyone that calls me lunatic
>>and fanatics, will receive the same reaction. What do you think that you have
>>rights to insult and satire the people?
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>>>Don't you see the cause and the effect chain? You have a misunderstanding and
>>>others are responsible for that? And where did I laugh about Diep or you? You
>>>were completely unknown for me before your nice misunderstanding here in CCC. VD
>>>of course has been known since long.
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>>There is not misundestandting. People doesnt like to look like stupid. A satire
>>when people looks like stupid is not funny for anybody. You began all this crap
>>5 days ago and you continue in the same tone. I have pointed out my position
>>about this matter, but you dont have the right to do the same thing.
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>>>
>>>I am of a completely different generation than you. Isn't it allowed to smile
>>>about someone who misunderstands a satirical remark and becomes insultive? I
>>>thought I could help you to get a better understanding. Honestly that was my
>>>sole dedication. Instead of thankyou I was insulted as being a lunatic... Isn't
>>>it a bit evil that experience?
>>>
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>>The point is not you are 200 years old. Nobody has the right to insult other
>>people. You began all this crap. If you dont respect yourself, you wont respect
>>anybody. If you dont respect anybody, dont expect to be respected. Period. The
>>evil experience is all your nonses written for 5 days.
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>>>But this now is really my last post to you; you have simply not the necessary
>>>understanding and we both are very weak in our English. I learned it at school
>>>and that is almost 50 years ago. Too late to make improvements now. At least for
>>>me.
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>>Fortunately, you close the door of your head. Of course, English is not my
>>native english and it is impossible to reply in "your correct english", the
>>inmense amount of nonsense produced by you in 5 days. You are not the firs
>>person who has begun all the nonsense (insults, satire, etc....)
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>>As a psychologist I saw now for several times how you are trying to argue.
>>>Ok, you're defending yourself. Normal thing to do. But you confuse cause and
>>>effect. If I make a little joke about the proven stubborness of someone, I don't
>>>expect to be insulted as lunatic. I know how lunatics are. They are not like me
>>>at least. Because normally it is my job to diagnose if other people are
>>>lunatics. - So please, because you didn't apologize, I simply end this
>>>communication. For the best of both of us.
>>>
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>>Of course, you dont understand the context. You began all the confrontation 5
>>days ago and you want to escape as the great Houdini. But you dont the talent of
>>Houdini escaping of your responsability.
>>
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>>
>>>All the best for your good work on Diep. Please don't forget to delete this cxd5
>>>move in Diep's book... ;)
>>
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>>There is clear that you dont understand a coin. You close a message with another
>>bad joke. Really, it shows what your intentions are.
>>
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>>>
>>>With best wishes from Europe, Rolf
>>>
>>> +++++++++++++Finito+++++++++++++++++++
>>
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>>50% of me is european and I dont nee your false best wishes. Close the door and
>>face your mistakes.
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