Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 02:47:46 12/26/98
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On December 26, 1998 at 02:31:31, blass uri wrote: > >On December 25, 1998 at 20:37:17, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On December 25, 1998 at 10:23:21, blass uri wrote: >> >>> >>>On December 25, 1998 at 09:27:41, Bert Seifriz wrote: >>> >>>>THE SSDF RATING LIST 1998-12-24 63528 games played by 186 computers >>>> >>>> Rating + - Games Won Oppo >>>> >>>> ------ --- --- ----- --- ---- >>>> >>>>1 Fritz 5.0 PB30% 67MB P200 MMX 2566 25 -24 906 68% 2431 >>>>2 Junior 5.0 64MB P200 MMX 2556 33 -31 502 67% 2435 >>>>3 Nimzo 98 56MB P200 MMX 2526 25 -24 812 61% 2450 >>>>4 Rebel 9.0 45MB P200 MMX 2524 25 -25 802 63% 2432 >>>>5 Hiarcs 6.0 46MB P200 MMX 2523 26 -26 720 58% 2464 >>>>6 MChess Pro 7.1 38MB P200 MMX 2512 27 -26 714 59% 2447 >>>>7 Rebel 8.0 45MB P200 MMX 2507 32 -31 493 59% 2440 >>>>8 MChess Pro 6.0 40MB P200 MMX 2505 29 -28 599 58% 2449 >>>>9 Shredder 2.0 56MB P200 MMX 2502 27 -27 679 57% 2453 >>>>10 Genius 5.0 DOS 41MB P200 MMX 2496 25 -25 788 58% 2438 >>>>11 MChess Pro 8.0 64MB P200 MMX 2482 35 -34 414 57% 2434 >>>>12 Gandalf 3.0 64MB P200 MMX 2467 41 -40 307 59% 2399 >>>>13 Kallisto II 64MB P200 MMX 2445 35 -35 398 52% 2429 >>>>14 Rebel 9.0 Pentium 90 MHz 2442 27 -27 672 51% 2437 >>>>15 Rebel 8.0 Pentium 90 MHz 2439 19 -19 1331 57% 2393 >>>>16 Hiarcs 6.0 Pentium 90 MHz 2438 20 -20 1197 54% 2412 >>>>17 Hiarcs 5.0 Pentium 90 MHz 2427 39 -38 343 61% 2351 >>>> >>>>First 17! Bert/gambitsoft.com >>> >>>Where did you get the all list? >>> >>>I looked at the link in gambitsoft for the ssdf list and they tell me only the >>>previous list. >>> >>>There are some strange results >>> >>>There is a big difference between the rating of Mchesspro8 in this list and in >>>the selective search list. >>> >>>I also expected Junior5 to be number 1 in the list. >>> >>>It was not number 1 in the previous list only because of a mistake in the match >>>against Rebel8(P90) when Junior5 was slower and they repeat 4 games and Junior5 >>>won Rebel8(P90) 14.5:5.5 instead of 12.5:7.5 >>> >>>I saw here also good results for Junior5 (17.5:2.5 against against Fritz3(p90) >>>should help Junior5 to be number 1) >>> >>>I did not see the games with bad results for Junior5. >>> >>>I want to see them to check if there was not a mistake of a tester in these >>>games. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Why don't you check to see if there are mistakes in other program's games? > >I expected better results from Junior5 and it is not the case for other >programs. >My expectation are based on the results that were posted here. > >I also want Junior5 to be number 1 but I believe that this fact did not >influence my expectations. > >I admit that probably there are better programs(at least one of chessmaster6000, >hiarcs7, tiger11.7 and fritz5.32) but these programs are not in the ssdf list. > >> >>What is in your opinion the bias introduced by the bug that prevents Junior's >>opponents to save their games in Auto232 sessions? > >I know that this bug did not help Junior5 against fritz3 because fritz3 is not a >program with learning feature and Junior5 should earn rating from this match. > >I also found another bug in one game of Junior5 against fritz3 that did not help >Junior5. > >Junior5 told the tester that it lost on time. >Junior5 also gave the times for every move >I computed the sum of the times for Junior5 and Fritz3 and found that Fritz3 >lost on time if you believe the times of Junior5. > >The ssdf guys decided to continue the games from the position that one side lost >on time and Fritz3 won but I do not know what is the truth and which side lost >on time. > >> >>I have an interesting log file that demonstrates this behaviour if you are >>interested. In an Auto232 match, Tiger has been prevented to save its games most >>of the time, and when it was allowed to do so it was always under the same file >>name. >> >>I have the same log file against the famous "Fritz5 with secret autoplayer". >> >>A lot of fun to walk thru these log files. > >Did you send these logfiles to chessbase and Amir Ban? > >Did you get a response about it? > >Uri Fritz3 have learning, if you play with big hash-tables, check there is a file called Fritz3.lrn it works ok. It´s not book-learning but it works try to win a game in the same way and Fritz3 tries another move in the place the score dropped significantly.
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