Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 03:12:47 07/13/04
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On July 13, 2004 at 04:12:12, CLiebert wrote:
>On July 12, 2004 at 20:47:57, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>
>>On July 12, 2004 at 15:52:37, Andreas Schwartmann wrote:
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>>>On July 12, 2004 at 10:32:36, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yes, and... German: und Fritz benötigt einfach bessere Tester, dann kann er es
>>>>wieder schaffen!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Aber bitte nicht Dich. Gott bewahre!
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>>a) Bitte nicht persönlich hier werden, sonst habe auch ich etwas in der Tasche
>>was ich über dich erzählen könnte!
>>
>
>Andreas hat doch gar nichts über Dich erzählt, siehst Du Gespenster? Was soll
>diese Drohung die unterschwellig unterstellt das Andi Leichen im Keller hätte
>(von denen DU weißt?!). Absurd.
>
>
>>b)Warum "Gott bewahre"? Es könnte eigentlich NUR besser werden !
>
>
>Nur besser? Fritz ist das weltweit meistverkaufte Schachprogramm (neben CM?) und
>Du sagst es kann nur besser werden?! Absurd.
>
>>>Andreas
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Just to make clear to the English speaking members in CCC what is spoken in
German.
Eduard Nemeth was the topic in several threads in CCC and it always went about
his extremely successful play against our top computerchess programs. Eduard
just has or had Elo of 2150 (maximum) but his chess knowledge is good enough -
and this is now the new discovery, although real experts knew it since long -
that Eduard can't win real matches against top progs BUT if he has discovered a
mistake in the books, or a "bug" in a typically wrong opening reaction then he
can win _games_ with long-time known s acrifices or typical variations. Since
Eduard makes these games public the programmers weren't lazy and prevented
especially these typical Eduard exploitations. -
To the honor of Eduard I must add, that he's no way reducable on these "games".
Eduard has created several endgame positions - often for FRITZ - where he could
show that a veritable bug in the engine (book plays no role here at all) led to
a ridiculous behaviour! Because of the creation and publication of such
positions - now hold yourself safe on a chair - Eduard wasn't proclaimed
'smartest' and most creative tester or such something but he was banned from
German newsgroups to protect the good name of FRITZ. To make this quite clear.
The failures of their program FRITZ brought a company into opposition to a
tester who should normally be proclaimed 'best tester of FRITZ' because he could
show weaknesses or bugs that simply looked really odd.
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So, here I can now tell the English speaking audience what this is all about
when again a veritable moderator of the German newsgroup which is backing the
company ChessBase (simply because the chairmen are partially the same! it's
always F. Friedel) declares here in CCC in German to Eduard and here also
Andreas S. that "FRITZ can't be such a failure because its selling numbers are
World's maximum together with CM", he asked "so how could one dare to speak of a
failure for ChessBase in Israel?"
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Now it's time to make my final comment on the WCCC and in special the record of
FRITZ. You've read that FRITZ is, no matter what FRITZ does at Championships or
tournaments like Leiden, state of the art in computerchess. From a design
perspective and the actual features that are all designed for more than a pure
computer vs computer field. FRITZ is the good friend for all living
chessplayers, human chessplayers, who want to improve their play or just want to
store their own games and anylyse them.
Do, what ChessBase can do, if they always come with two or three engines from
their own production, yes, you already got it, they can utilize the famous FRITZ
to spend here a point, half a point, and that wouldn't hurt any company
interests.
In special ChessBase, that is always eager to get new engines in their
sortiment, can motivate still amateur or free authors to cooperate with
ChessBase. From that perspective it would look odd if FRITZ would win in Israel
ahead of JUNIOR. It would also be unwanted if SHREDDER won. JUNIOR, as a
ChessBase partner product, is the only top prog that comes from abroad! Know
what I mean?
In that view FRITZ is the red herring for the creative followers to reflect the
nice chances by jumping completely into the ChessBase waters. Look at the FRITZ
vs DIEP game!! DIEP already has a passed pawn on h-file. FRITZ is so tuned that
it isn't looking for a draw like every champion would have done it because he
smelled the danger of death. No, FRITZ plays g5 and allows DIEP to get a second
passed pawn so that DIEP has now two connected passed pawns, that are worthier
than a Rook at times. Instead of searching for a draw! Know what I mean? For
FRITZ and its company it wasn't important to save half a point. You know in
Leiden SHREDDER lost to DIEP. Here in Israel FRITZ lost to DIEP.
DIEP still an independent program? Or will it come into mother's haven???
This is in short the interpretation of the argument that FRITZ by all means
can't be called a failure or on a descending. Yes, indeed, it isn't if it can
survive such nonsense or all the pain caused by special position from Eduard!
Hope this helps a bit to understand the actual computerchess market.
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