Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 04:48:21 07/13/04
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On July 13, 2004 at 07:18:20, Uri Blass wrote: >On July 13, 2004 at 06:12:47, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On July 13, 2004 at 04:12:12, CLiebert wrote: >> >>>On July 12, 2004 at 20:47:57, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>> >>>>On July 12, 2004 at 15:52:37, Andreas Schwartmann wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 12, 2004 at 10:32:36, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Yes, and... German: und Fritz benötigt einfach bessere Tester, dann kann er es >>>>>>wieder schaffen!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Aber bitte nicht Dich. Gott bewahre! >>>> >>>> >>>>a) Bitte nicht persönlich hier werden, sonst habe auch ich etwas in der Tasche >>>>was ich über dich erzählen könnte! >>>> >>> >>>Andreas hat doch gar nichts über Dich erzählt, siehst Du Gespenster? Was soll >>>diese Drohung die unterschwellig unterstellt das Andi Leichen im Keller hätte >>>(von denen DU weißt?!). Absurd. >>> >>> >>>>b)Warum "Gott bewahre"? Es könnte eigentlich NUR besser werden ! >>> >>> >>>Nur besser? Fritz ist das weltweit meistverkaufte Schachprogramm (neben CM?) und >>>Du sagst es kann nur besser werden?! Absurd. >>> >>>>>Andreas >> >> >> >> ******************* >> >>Just to make clear to the English speaking members in CCC what is spoken in >>German. >> >>Eduard Nemeth was the topic in several threads in CCC and it always went about >>his extremely successful play against our top computerchess programs. Eduard >>just has or had Elo of 2150 (maximum) but his chess knowledge is good enough - >>and this is now the new discovery, although real experts knew it since long - >>that Eduard can't win real matches against top progs BUT if he has discovered a >>mistake in the books, or a "bug" in a typically wrong opening reaction then he >>can win _games_ with long-time known s acrifices or typical variations. Since >>Eduard makes these games public the programmers weren't lazy and prevented >>especially these typical Eduard exploitations. - >> >>To the honor of Eduard I must add, that he's no way reducable on these "games". >>Eduard has created several endgame positions - often for FRITZ - where he could >>show that a veritable bug in the engine (book plays no role here at all) led to >>a ridiculous behaviour! Because of the creation and publication of such >>positions - now hold yourself safe on a chair - Eduard wasn't proclaimed >>'smartest' and most creative tester or such something but he was banned from >>German newsgroups to protect the good name of FRITZ. To make this quite clear. >>The failures of their program FRITZ brought a company into opposition to a >>tester who should normally be proclaimed 'best tester of FRITZ' because he could >>show weaknesses or bugs that simply looked really odd. >> >> ++++++++++++ > >I do not know the reason that Eduard was banned but I find it hard to believe >that he was banned for the fact that he detected bugs in Fritz. > >I also find it hard to believe that he was banned for the fact that he told the >world(and not only to chessbase) about the weaknesses that he found but this >explanation is more logical. > >Uri Yes, this is not to believe from a rational perspective but it's still true. That goes like this: Eduard, we all know now this bug, you must not invent always new positions to prove it. Stop it now! Or - in other groups - now please take a seat before you read further, it was told to Eduard that this kind of always repeated information to the disadvantage [!! sic!!!] of a company could bring damage to this newsgroup. And they were probably correct, Uri! Because ChessBase isn't very tolerant with their juridical experts go hunting. The late Elvis, who had a good education in the basics of justice, because IMO he studied a couple of semesters and then worked in a laywer bureau, he explained in detail how fast this could cost thousands of German marks and you cant do anything against it. Yes, this is the German system. The economically stronger can cause harm to the one who is weaker. Simply by tearing him in front of a court. Not literally, virtually is enough. The different papers cost you a lot. Therefore the late Elvis, God may be kind with him, always reacted as soon as possible and tried to avoid the opening of a thread with such critics against FRITZ. If you as me, from a perspective of science this is incredible, this is evil, that such things could happen in our free world. And I swear to you that this is the basic reason for the expulsion of Eduard, because - let me speak this out only lightly, he's certainly not good in making cold-blooded statements and can easily be provoked and that is then taken to diffamate him. But this is evil because if you want we are all only in love with our hobby, how could we know that we must be educated like lawyers? Know what I mean? I think we all know, because it's not a national phenomenon, that chessplayers, however good they may be, are not always as clever in other matters. Chess talent is a very special diamond. And not only Kasparov is believing in the evil of the number 13. :) Please give Eduard the due respect, where he's so good at, but please don't support those critics who want to dump him where he didn't even think of that he could land there. I will always defend him, alone because he was so mistreated in his innocent soul. And who's the one who dares to throw that first stone? Is it really necessary that we behave like rats? I thought we were human? Uri, that didn't go to your postbox, to be sure about it. But you alredy knew that. Best, Rolf
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