Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 14:40:09 07/14/04
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On July 14, 2004 at 16:35:16, CLiebert wrote: >- wir haben uns stundenlang mit dem Thema bechäftigt. Das ist das was Du nicht >weißt und nicht sehen willst! "Davonlaufen" hätte uns viel Zeit gespart... Erst mal Dank für den Ansatz einer fairen Diskussion. Jetzt bin ich gespannt, ob du wirklich bereit bist, auch Fehler einzusehen, wenn sie dir nachgewiesen werden können. // Thanks for the beginning of a fair debate. It's interesting to see if you are now really able to admit mistakes, if they can be proven. > RT: >So steht es auch auf meiner Webseite. Du hast über Eduard in einer >diffamierenden Weise gesprochen im Chor mit AS (einem praktizierem Juristen), >die ich für abscheulich halte. CL: > >- Das ist falsch. Wenn dann habe ich lediglich sein Verhalten zitiert. Das ist unwahr! Ihr habt als Laien Pseudodiagnosen in psychiatrischen Jargon abgegeben! // Wrong this is a falsehood. You two, CL and this lawyer AS have written in CSS, as laymen, pseudo-diagnoses in psychiatric terminology! CL: >- wenn Du es so siehst?! Ich würde mir das auch verbieten. Aber man weiss ja aus >diversen Fehl-Gutachten zu freigelassenen Rückfalltätern das Deine Zunft leider >nicht selten auch irrt bei menschlichen Beurteilungen... [English translation: if you see it this way! I wouldn't tolerate that either. But one knows from some wrong nexpert reports about released criminals with subsequent offences that not too seldomly you psychologists unfortunately make mistakes in human judgements. ] Christian, do you really want to hold this incredibly villain insinuation? That you compare what Eduard did and represents in computerchess with the cases of murderers or rapists who always again commit crimes if offered new chances? Are you really serious about such an allegation??? [German tranlation: Sag mal Christian, hast du eigentlich noch alle Tassen im Schrank? Du vergleichst Eduard, meinetwegen mit allen seinen Fehlern, mit Mördern und Vergewaltigern, wirklichen menschlichen Bestien, die rückfällig geworden sind, nachdem Gutachter sie fälschlich für ungefährlich eingestuft hatten???] Christian, you want to insinuate that if you would give Eduard new chances, that then hell would break loose in a computerchess forum? That is exactly the evil allegation you published with your pseudo psychiatry. You should protect your own charter. And in that charter personal attacks, abuses are forbidden. And if I beg you to follow your own rules and control anonymous haters against Eduard, you answer that it is a pity but if one cannot defend oneself that that is then bad luck??? Don't you realise what you are admitting right now? That you can't do anything against abusive flames from anonymous writers. Interesting, thank you. [German translation: Christian, du behauptest, dass wenn ihr Eduard neue Chancen gebt, dass dann die Hölle losgehen würden in CSS? Das is doch genau diese schlimme Unterstellung, die auch in diesen pseudopsychiatrischen Beleidigungen stecken, die AS und du in CSS gegen Eduard geschrieben habt. Dabei sollst du doch nur eure eigene Charta befolgen. Persönliche Angriffe, Mißbrauch sind verboten. Und wenn ich dich bitte, dass du Eduard gegen anonyme Hasstiraden oder Provokationen verteidigen sollst, dass du also euren eigenen Regeln folgen sollst, dann antwortest du einfach, Pech gehabt, Rolf, so ist das nun mal im Leben, wer sich nicht selbst verteidigen kann, dem können wir auch nicht helfen... Na toll, du rufst also zur Selbstjustiz auf??? Nein? Was soll das denn sonst heissen? Es ist doch so, dass ihr sehr wohl gegen anonyme Schreiber, die gegen ie Regeln verstossen, etwas unternehmen könnt! Ihr beweist das mit zig Löschungen doch täglich. Weshalb geht das nicht, wenn Eduard angegriffen wird, oder wie geschehen vor 3 Jahren 'Schachfan'?] RT: >But then, when he's writing again in your forum, please defend him if again >anonymous opponents harrass him and handle that with your guest accounts. CL: > >- we did it over a very long time. F.ex. by giving an anonymous account. But it >doesn´t help. Forgotten? Yes. Not forgotten but I didn't simply know that. You know, I had also an anonymous account, only Friedel knew it. But when I told Steinwender in private email that I was 'Schachfan', hell broke loose and anonymous "Peter"s and Kästner and many others went berserk about the possibility that 'Schachfan' who hadn't done anything to them could be me. Hear a bell ringing?? RT: > >But defend him so that he must not do this himself. What then always caused more >agitation than necessary. CL: >- we can´t defend guests who can´t defend himself on the long run. You can´t be >anywhere. Thats live. You should know it. No, I dont agree. Of course you can do something against abusive behaviour. You can also control anonymous accounts. You can block it. You can also explain to the members, that you want to set an example. You would not give into the terror of the "street" and that you would stand to Eduard. If you would have said that, the cowards would disappear. But as long as theya know that you just wait and that you when Eduard gets nervous and makes mistakes, that you then will throw him out, THEN all theses cowards have a good motivation to bully Eduard into hell. - Was that already too difficult for you? That is NOT rocket science. That is completely common sense. You must not have studied psychology to understand this. - Let me finally ask you if such a behaviour wouldn't look good for a World-leading company??? Or do you think it's better to be famous for the opposite. The lack of civil courage and the tolerating of scapegoating helpless chess lovers??? I can't do anything. I tried my very best to convince you. But at last you must make up your mind. I wished your heart would show you the way! Because then suddenly all seems so easy! - Just give Eduard a helping hand and let him talk again on CSS. Just try it. As you said, it's only a board-game. It's only chess - and it's only GENS UNA SUMUS. But this is now the end for me. I thank you very much for your willingness to listen, I did also read carefully what you had written. I know that it's not easy to change a group hystery. But you should try it. Life is too short to be wasted with flame wars! Best, Rolf Perhaps we find another way to communicate about this topic. At the end I want to thank CCC for its patience and tolerance. But we shouldn't exaggerate and make this an habit to talk here in German all the time. Hope you agree. Perhaps we get this to email if necessary. Thanks again. > > >>Thanks. > >Doens´t metter! > >Best >Christian
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