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Subject: Re: Junior thoughts

Author: Gerd Isenberg

Date: 01:53:44 07/16/04

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>I think that it is important to test and the problem of some participants is
>lack of testing.
>
>I talked with Gerd(programmer of Icichess)
>Gerd is not a strong chess player.
>

My german DWZ was slighty above 1600.

>His program is even slower searcher than movei in nodes per second and
>the programmer told me that most of the time is used on the evaluation.
>

See latest ICGA Journal, "The Tenth Commandment", Review of Dap Hartmann of
"Advances in Computer Games 10", Chapter about Lines of Action, YL versus MONA:

"If you are slow anyway, take advantage of it"

Or for IsiChess, if you do expensive king eval, why not looking for static
mates?

>I asked him if he checked to test if what he added in the evaluation was
>productive and the surprising reply was negative.
>

I don't do any autoplayer matches between two versions with different eval,
because i am not able to play automaticly ;-(

During the last two years or so, i added a few more eval terms after i
recognized lack of knowledge in some games IsiChess played in tournaments.
Of course this helps in exactly this kind of positions. Depending on the
generalization and interactions, i don't know exactly whether it improves the
overall performance of the program.

At least i debug each new eval terms i added ;-)
And i check all kinds of symmetry.

Gerd

>I try to test terms that I add to the evaluation and unfortunately even things
>that are cheap to add did not prove themselves to be productive.
>
>I have a code to evaluate backward pawns or knightoutposts and it is relatively
>cheap to add it(no big difference in nodes per seconds) but none of them was
>proved to be productive based on my tests games of the program against previous
>version so I did not add them.
>
>I do not know if the reason is bugs in the evaluation or a different reason like
>wrong definition of backward pawn or knight outposts(I try to test before
>playing games by giving the new version some positions to analyze to see if the
>evaluation is changed to the expected side)
>
>Uri



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