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Subject: Re: Other peoples thoghts on this?

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 10:12:38 07/17/04

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On July 17, 2004 at 10:50:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 17, 2004 at 01:39:09, Graham Banks wrote:
>
>>That sounds horrible.  No pondering.
>>
>>
>>Yes, I'm really hoping that one day I'll be able to own a dual processor machine
>>as I'd much prefer to use ponder on. Crafty definitely performs much better with
>>ponder on in comparison to other programs.
>>Still, beggars can't be choosers!
>>Graham.
>
>
>That wasn't my point.  Mike or someone said the adapter sends a "new" command
>for each move.  that will (a) kill any pondering;  (b) clear the hash table
>before each move making it impossible to pass things along from one search to
>another;  (c) slow the search by clearing the pawn hash, making it necessary to
>do lots of extra pawn evaluations;  etc...

Seems correct.
I just startet a game against Crafty 19.15 in the Fritz GUI.
The Wb2uci logfile has only 2 "new" commands at the start of the game but with
logfile enabled I got 10 logfiles in the Crafty directory.
For example:

White(1): post
White(1): hard
pondering enabled.
White(1): computer
playing a computer!
White(1): level 0 4 0
White(1): force
White(1): d4
Black(1): d5
White(2): c4
Black(2): c6
White(3): Nf3
Black(3): Nf6
White(4): Nc3
Black(4): Be6
White(5): cxd5
Black(5): Bxd5
White(6): e3
Black(6): e6
White(7): Bd3
Black(7): Bxf3
White(8): Qxf3
Black(8): Be7
White(9): O-O
Black(9): O-O
White(10): Bd2
Black(10): Qa5
White(11): Ne4
Black(11): Qc7
White(12): Nxf6+
Black(12): Bxf6
White(13): Rac1
Black(13): Nd7
White(14): time 27100
White(14): otim 26198
White(14): go
              clearing hash tables
              time limit 6.77 (47.39)
              depth   time  score   variation (1)
                6->   0.10   0.86   14. Bb4 Rfd8 15. Qh5 g6 16. Qf3 Bg7
                7     0.17   0.77   14. Bb4 Rfd8 15. Qh5 g6 16. Qf3 a5
                                    17. Bd2
                7     0.65   0.83   14. Qh3 g6 15. Be4 Be7 16. Qh6 Nf6
                                    17. Bd3
                7->   0.74   0.83   14. Qh3 g6 15. Be4 Be7 16. Qh6 Nf6
                                    17. Bd3
                8     0.94   0.74   14. Qh3 g6 15. Qg4 Be7 16. e4 Nf6 17.
                                    Qf4 Qxf4 18. Bxf4
                8     1.37   0.81   14. Qe4 g6 15. Qf3 Qd6 16. Be4 Be5
                                    17. h3 Bh2+ 18. Kh1 Be5 19. Kg1
                8->   2.09   0.81   14. Qe4 g6 15. Qf3 Qd6 16. Be4 Be5
                                    17. h3 Bh2+ 18. Kh1 Be5 19. Kg1
                9     4.41   0.75   14. Qe4 g6 15. a4 Be7 16. b4 Rad8 17.
                                    b5 Ba3 18. Rc4 Nf6
                9     5.05   0.77   14. Qh3 g6 15. f4 Rfd8 16. Qg4 Be7
                                    17. Rfe1 Nf6 18. Qg5
              time=7.89  cpu=95%  mat=0  n=8738682  fh=93%  nps=1.11M
              ext-> chk=200169 cap=19552 pp=5035 1rep=29979 mate=1857
              predicted=0  nodes=8738682  evals=1772393  50move=2
              endgame tablebase-> probes=0  hits=0
White(14): Qh3
              time used:   7.89

       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    8  |<R>| . |   | . |   |<R>|<K>| . |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    7  |<P>|<P>|<Q>|<N>| . |<P>|<P>|<P>|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    6  |   | . |<P>| . |<P>|<B>|   | . |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    5  | . |   | . |   | . |   | . |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    4  |   | . |   |-P-|   | . |   | . |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    3  | . |   | . |-B-|-P-|   | . |-Q-|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    2  |-P-|-P-|   |-B-|   |-P-|-P-|-P-|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    1  | . |   |-R-|   | . |-R-|-K-|   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
         a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h

Black(14): g6 [pondering]
              time limit 6.57 (45.99)
              depth   time  score   variation (8)
                8     0.25   0.70   15. f4 Rfd8 16. b4 Rac8 17. Be4 Bg7
                                    18. Qg4 Nb6
                8     1.05   0.72   15. a4 Rfd8 16. a5 Be7 17. Rfd1 a6
                                    18. Be4 Nf6
                8->   1.55   0.72   15. a4 Rfd8 16. a5 Be7 17. Rfd1 a6
                                    18. Be4 Nf6
                9     5.05   0.69   15. a4 Rad8 16. Rfe1 Rfe8 17. a5 Ne5
                                    18. Be4 Be7 19. Qh6
Black(14): time 26500
time remaining:   4:25 (crafty).
Black(14): otim 25873
time remaining:   4:18 (opponent).
Black(14): g6
predicted move made.
                9     7.20   0.71   15. f4 Rfd8 16. a4 Be7 17. b4 Nb6 18.
                                    a5 Nd5 19. b5
              time=7.20  cpu=92%  mat=0  n=7516770  fh=92%  nps=1.04M
              ext-> chk=109651 cap=20583 pp=2234 1rep=27145 mate=20
              predicted=1  nodes=7516770  evals=1895210  50move=3
              endgame tablebase-> probes=0  hits=0
              time used:   5.38
White(15): f4
              time used:   1.86

       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    8  |<R>| . |   | . |   |<R>|<K>| . |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    7  |<P>|<P>|<Q>|<N>| . |<P>| . |<P>|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    6  |   | . |<P>| . |<P>|<B>|<P>| . |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    5  | . |   | . |   | . |   | . |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    4  |   | . |   |-P-|   |-P-|   | . |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    3  | . |   | . |-B-|-P-|   | . |-Q-|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    2  |-P-|-P-|   |-B-|   | . |-P-|-P-|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    1  | . |   |-R-|   | . |-R-|-K-|   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
         a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h

Black(15): Rfd8 [pondering]
              time limit 6.57 (45.99)
              depth   time  score   variation (8)
                8     0.32   0.68   16. a4 a5 17. b3 Bg7 18. Qg4 Nf6 19.
                                    Qg5 Nd5
                8     0.94   0.69   16. b4 Rac8 17. a4 Bg7 18. Qg4 Nb6
                                    19. a5 Nd5
                8->   1.29   0.69   16. b4 Rac8 17. a4 Bg7 18. Qg4 Nb6
                                    19. a5 Nd5
                9     2.25   0.71   16. b4 a6 17. Qg4 Bg7 18. a4 Nf6 19.
                                    Qh3 Nd5 <HT>
                9->   4.08   0.71   16. b4 a6 17. Qg4 Bg7 18. a4 Nf6 19.
                                    Qh3 Nd5 <HT>
               10     6.01   0.72   16. b4 a6 17. Rf3 e5 18. fxe5 Nxe5
                                    19. Rxf6 Nxd3 20. Rcf1 Rd7 21. Qg4
               10->  12.33   0.72   16. b4 a6 17. Rf3 e5 18. fxe5 Nxe5
                                    19. Rxf6 Nxd3 20. Rcf1 Rd7 21. Qg4
               11    29.51   0.69   16. b4 Qd6 17. Be4 Bg7 18. a3 Rac8
                                    19. a4 Nf6 20. Bd3 Nd5 21. Rc5
               11->  56.41   0.69   16. b4 Qd6 17. Be4 Bg7 18. a3 Rac8
                                    19. a4 Nf6 20. Bd3 Nd5 21. Rc5
               12     1:13   0.67   16. b4 Qd6 17. a4 Nb6 18. a5 Nd5 19.
                                    Rc5 b6 20. Rc4 Rd7 21. a6 Rad8
Black(15): quit
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