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Subject: Re: Revised ECM Test Suite (update)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 10:10:53 07/20/04

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On July 20, 2004 at 12:37:08, Omid David Tabibi wrote:

>On July 20, 2004 at 12:17:12, Renze Steenhuisen wrote:
>
>>Hi Omid,
>>
>>I have just started these positions in Crafty, at sd 30 and st 3600. So, they
>>will be done within 11 hours from now. Hope you can wait that long?
>
>Thanks, any deep analysis of those positions is appreciated :)

Some deep analysis by Fritz8.008

Note that white is a pawn down but Fritz seems to be unable to count material.
Searching deeper help but not much and I gave up after 2 hours and 30 minutes
when Fritz still could not see negative evaluation

Programs that do not have big king safety evaluation here will probably find
Rg8+(I guess that this is the reason that Movei and Yace find Rg8+).

I give some analysis by yace at the end of this post.

I do not believe the big king safety evaluation of Fritz.
Fritz tends to sacrifice too much for the wrong reason and we saw it also in
WCCC against Diep.

New game
[D]7R/1p1r4/2b2p2/2Pp1qk1/3P1bp1/3N4/2Q2PB1/6K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 8:

1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Nxf4 Qxf4 3.Qd3 Qc1+ 4.Bf1 Qf4 5.Be2
  ±  (0.94)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:00  139kN
1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Nxf4 Qxf4 3.Qd3 Qc1+ 4.Bf1 Qf4 5.Be2 Bd7
  ±  (0.94)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:00  296kN
1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Nxf4 Qxf4 3.Qd3 f5 4.Qc3 Kf6 5.Rf8+ Rf7 6.Rh8
  ±  (0.75)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:00  738kN
1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Nxf4 Qxf4 3.Qd3 f5 4.Qc3 Kf6 5.Rh4 Kf7 6.Qb2
  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:01  2338kN
1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Qd1 Kg6 3.Qb3 Bd2 4.Qc2 Bg5 5.Qb1 g3 6.Qd1 gxf2+
  ²  (0.38)   Depth: 11/33   00:00:05  7758kN
1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Qd1 Kg6 3.Qb3 Bd2 4.Qc2 Bg5 5.Qb1 g3 6.Qd1 gxf2+ 7.Nxf2 Rh7
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 12/33   00:00:16  22694kN
1.Qc3!
  =  (0.25)   Depth: 12/33   00:00:18  24428kN
1.Qc3 Rg7 2.Qb3 Bc7 3.Nb4 Re7 4.Qd1 Kg6 5.Rg8+ Rg7 6.Rxg7+ Kxg7 7.Qb3 Qh7 8.Nxd5
Qh2+
  ²  (0.28)   Depth: 12/33   00:00:20  28048kN
1.Qd1!
  ²  (0.31)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:28  37678kN
1.Qd1 Kg6 2.Rh4 Kg5 3.Rh1 Kg6 4.Nb4 Bg5 5.Bf1 Kg7 6.Nxc6 bxc6 7.Be2 Re7 8.Bxg4
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 13/38   00:00:53  70986kN
1.Qe2!
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 13/38   00:00:59  79339kN
1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Qd1 Kg6 3.Qc2 Bg5 4.Qb1 Bd2 5.Rh4 Kg5 6.Rh1 Rh7
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 13/38   00:01:04  85388kN
1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Qd1 Kg6 3.Qc2 Bg5 4.Qb1 Bd2
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 14/36   00:01:47  144812kN
1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Qd1 Kg6 3.Qb1 Bc7 4.Ne5+ fxe5 5.Rh6+ Kxh6 6.Qxf5 e4 7.Qf6+ Kh7 8.Bf1
  =  (0.25)   Depth: 15/41   00:03:30  287733kN
1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Qd1 Ba4 3.Qb1 Rh7 4.Rg8+ Kh6 5.Bxd5 Bc6 6.Bxc6 bxc6 7.Qb3 Bd2 8.Re8
Qf3
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 16/42   00:08:05  666983kN
1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Qd1 Ba4 3.Qb1 Bc6 4.Qb3 Bc7
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 17/47   00:19:11  1596981kN
1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Qd1 Ba4 3.Qb1 Bc6 4.Qb3 Bc7 5.Nb4 Re7
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 18/48   00:44:19  3685925kN
1.Qe2 Rg7 2.Qd1 Ba4 3.Qb1 Bc6 4.Qb3 Bc7 5.Nb4 Re7
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 19/55   01:46:42  8936586kN

(, MyTown 20.07.2004)


7R/1p1r4/2b2p2/2Pp1qk1/3P1bp1/3N4/2Q2PB1/6K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.87:

1.Nxf4 Qxc2
  -+  (-6.59)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1.Bxd5 Bxd5
  -+  (-3.45)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1.Qe2
  =  (-0.24)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1.Qe2
  =  (-0.24)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1.Qe2 Bb5
  ³  (-0.33)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
1.Qe2 Bb5
  ³  (-0.33)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
1.Qe2 Bb5 2.Rg8+ Kh4
  ³  (-0.45)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1.Qc3 b5
  ³  (-0.39)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1.Qc3 Rh7 2.Rg8+ Kh5 3.Nxf4+
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1.Qc3 Rh7 2.Rg8+ Kh5 3.Nxf4+
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1.Qc3 Rh7 2.Rg8+ Kh4 3.Nxf4
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Qb3 Re7 2.Rg8+ Qg6 3.Rxg6+ Kxg6
  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Qb3 Bc7 2.Rg8+ Kh4 3.Rh8+ Rh7 4.Kf1
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Qc3 Rh7 2.Rg8+ Kh4 3.Nxf4
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Qc3 Rh7 2.Rg8+ Kh4 3.Nxf4
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Qc3 Rh7 2.Rg8+ Kh4 3.Nxf4 Qxf4
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
1.Qc3 Rh7 2.Rg8+ Kh4 3.Nxf4 Qxf4
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
1.Qc3 Rh7 2.Rg8+ Kh5 3.Nxf4+ Qxf4 4.Qc2 f5 5.Kf1
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:00  118kN
1.Qd1 Rh7 2.Rxh7 Qxh7 3.Nxf4 g3
  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:00  227kN
1.Qd1 Rh7 2.Rxh7 Qxh7 3.Nxf4 Kxf4 4.Qe2
  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:00  234kN
1.Qd1 Rh7 2.Rxh7 Qxh7 3.Nxf4 Kxf4 4.Qe2
  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 6/21   00:00:01  271kN
1.Qd1 Rg7 2.Bf1 Rh7 3.Rg8+ Kh4 4.Nxf4 Qxf4
  ³  (-0.35)   Depth: 7/21   00:00:01  925kN
1.Qc3 Rh7 2.Rg8+ Kh4 3.Nxf4 Rh8 4.Rxh8+ Kg5
  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 7/21   00:00:01  956kN
1.Qc3 Rh7 2.Rg8+ Kh4 3.Nxf4 Qxf4 4.Qc1 Qxc1+ 5.Bf1
  ³  (-0.33)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:01  982kN
1.Rg8+ Kh4 2.Qb3 Rh7 3.Nxf4 Qxf4 4.Qc3 Kh5
  ³  (-0.32)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:01  1502kN
1.Rg8+ Kh4 2.Qb3 Rh7 3.Nxf4 Qxf4 4.Qd1 f5 5.Kf1
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:01  1514kN
1.Rg8+ Kh4 2.Qb3 Rh7 3.Nxf4 Qxf4 4.Qd1 f5 5.Kf1
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:02  1579kN
1.Rg8+ Kh4 2.Qb3 Re7 3.Rh8+ Kg5 4.Rg8+ Kh6 5.Nxf4 Re1+ 6.Bf1 Qxf4 7.Qc3
  ³  (-0.37)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:02  2131kN
1.Qc3 Rh7 2.Rg8+ Kh4 3.Nxf4 Qe6 4.Nxe6 f5
  ³  (-0.36)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:02  2624kN
1.Qc3 Rh7 2.Rg8+ Kh4 3.Nxf4 Qxf4 4.Bxd5 Bxd5 5.Kf1
  ³  (-0.35)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:02  2700kN
1.Qd1 Rg7 2.Bf1 Rh7 3.Rg8+ Kh4 4.Nxf4 Qxf4 5.Be2
  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:02  2792kN
1.Qd1 Rg7 2.Nxf4 Qxf4 3.Qd3 f5 4.Qc3 Kf6 5.Rh5
  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:02  3225kN
1.Qd1 Rg7 2.Nxf4 Qxf4 3.Qd3 f5 4.Qc3 Kf6 5.Rh5
  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:03  4227kN
1.Qd1 Rg7 2.Nb4 Kg6 3.Qe1 Rh7 4.Rg8+ Kh6 5.Qd1 Rg7
  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:04  5600kN
1.Qd1 Rg7 2.Nb4 Kg6 3.Qe1 Rh7 4.Rg8+ Kh6 5.Qd1 Rg7
  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:07  8335kN
1.Qd1 Rg7 2.Nb4 Kg6 3.Qe1 Rf7 4.Rd8 Bc7 5.Rg8+ Kh5 6.Rh8+ Kg5 7.Qe2
  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 10/32   00:00:09  12516kN
1.Rg8+ Kh4 2.Qe2 Bb5 3.Qe1 Bxd3 4.f3+ g3 5.Rg4+ Qxg4 6.fxg4 Rh7 7.Qe6 Bg5
  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 10/34   00:00:13  17253kN
1.Rg8+ Kh4 2.Qe2 Bb5 3.Qe1 Bxd3 4.f3+ g3 5.Rg4+ Qxg4 6.fxg4 Be4 7.Bxe4 dxe4
  =  (-0.24)   Depth: 10/34   00:00:13  17762kN
1.Rg8+ Kh4 2.Qe2 Bb5 3.Qe1 Bxd3 4.f3+ g3 5.Rg4+ Qxg4 6.fxg4 Be4 7.Bxe4 dxe4
  =  (-0.24)   Depth: 10/34   00:00:16  21931kN
1.Rg8+ Kh4 2.Qe2 Bb5 3.Qe1 Bxd3 4.f3+ g3 5.Rg4+ Qxg4 6.fxg4 Be4 7.Bxe4 dxe4
8.Qxe4
  =  (-0.24)   Depth: 11/38   00:00:27  36462kN
1.Qd1 Rg7 2.Nb4 Kg6 3.Qe1 Rf7 4.Bf1 Rh7 5.Rxh7 g3
  =  (-0.23)   Depth: 11/38   00:00:31  40820kN
1.Qd1 Rg7 2.Nb4 Qe6 3.Rd8 g3 4.Nxd5 Bxd5 5.Bxd5 gxf2+ 6.Kxf2 Qe3+ 7.Kf1 Re7
  =  (-0.18)   Depth: 11/38   00:00:37  48487kN
1.Qd1 Rg7 2.Nb4 Qe6 3.Rd8 g3 4.Nxd5 Bxd5 5.Bxd5 gxf2+ 6.Kxf2 Qe3+ 7.Kf1 Re7
  =  (-0.18)   Depth: 11/38   00:00:44  57170kN
1.Qd1 Rg7 2.Nb4 Qe6 3.Rd8 Rg8 4.Rxg8+ Qxg8 5.Qb3 Qa8 6.Qc3 Qa5 7.Nxd5 Qxc3
  =  (-0.16)   Depth: 12/38   00:00:55  71353kN
1.Rg8+ Kh4 2.Qe2 Bb5 3.Bf1 Bxd3 4.Qxd3 Qh5 5.Be2 f5 6.Rf8 Kg5 7.Rxf5+ Kg6
8.Rxh5+ Kxh5
  =  (-0.15)   Depth: 12/40   00:01:02  79424kN
1.Rg8+ Kh6 2.Ne5 Qxc2 3.Nxg4+ Kh7 4.Nxf6+ Kh6 5.Ng4+ Kh7 6.Nf6+ Kh6 7.Ng4+ Kh7
8.Bxd5 Bxd5 9.Nf6+ Kh6 10.Nxd5
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 12/40   00:01:41  124912kN

(, MyTown 20.07.2004)

Uri



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