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Subject: Re: A boring position

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 04:38:04 07/23/04

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On July 22, 2004 at 16:13:11, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>Hi again and thanks for the responses.  Here are some more thoughts on the
>position.
>
>If h4 is played then it is likely that the following pawn structure is reached:
>
>[D]1k1r3r/ppp1q3/4bp2/2p3p1/3nPp1p/1PNP1P1P/P1PQB1P1/R3R2K w - -
>
>I think many programs misevaluate this pawn structure.  For example, white is
>probably penalised for having a backward pawn on g2, but is black penalised for
>having a backward pawn on g5?  Probably not, because the f6 pawn means that g5
>is not truly backward but in reality white's e4 pawn stops f6-f5 thereby making
>g5 *effectively* backward.
>
>Also, this pawn structure (after h4 h3) makes it very hard for black to open up
>the kingside.  I'm open to suggestions on how to evaluate that though :-)
>Anyway, with the more flexible structure of pawns on g5 and h5 white must always
>be concerned about black starting an attack with g4.  Once that threat is
>removed it is easier for white to play actively on the queenside or in the
>centre.
>
>thats all,
>Peter


I think it's a tough position for computers. Shredder 8 gives initially -1.64,
but after you force 1...h4 2. h3 g5 the eval goes down and Shredder shows:

3.Na4 c4 4.bxc4 Bxh3 5.gxh3 Qd7 6.Bd1 Qxa4 7.c3 Qa5 8.Rb1 f5 9.exf5 Qxf5 10.cxd4
Qxh3+ 11.Kg1 Rxd4 12.Rxb7+ Kxb7 13.Qb2+ Ka8 14.Qxd4
  µ  (-0.77)   Depth: 18/45   00:06:46  103335kN

After 1...g5 2. Na4 we still have -1.29:

Analysis by Shredder 8:

1. µ (-1.29): 2...Qd6 3.c3 Nc6 4.Rad1 h4 5.h3 Rhg8 6.Nb2 Qd7 7.Kg1 Rge8 8.d4
cxd4 9.Bb5 Rf8
2. µ (-1.13): 2...h4


but as you can see, Shredder wants to play h4 later and it seems to me that
comps do not properly evaluate the pawn structure on the kingside.



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