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Subject: Re: Jonny-Movei results in the nunn match on AMD3000 ponder off

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 08:25:20 07/23/04

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On July 23, 2004 at 11:11:27, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On July 23, 2004 at 06:37:58, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On July 23, 2004 at 06:19:02, Joachim Rang wrote:
>>
>>>On July 22, 2004 at 12:56:49, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>Conditions:
>>>>
>>>>Jonny 256 mbytes hash
>>>>Movei 64 mbytes hash(I suspect that more than it is counter productive for all
>>>>time controls and even 64 mbytes is counterproductive for fast time control
>>>>except very fast time control of 3 minutes per game or faster because in very
>>>>fast time control movei does not waste time on clearing the hash because it
>>>>assumes that it has no time for it and the old entries in the hash are still
>>>>productive for better order of moves and movei does not suffer much from useless
>>>>entries)
>>>>
>>>>Hardware A64 3000(2ghz)
>>>>
>>>>Movei-Jonny 36.5-13.5  at 1  minutes per game
>>>>Movei-Jonny 34.5-15.5  at 2  minutes per game
>>>>Movei-Jonny 33.5-16.5  at 3  minutes per game
>>>>Movei-Jonny 27-23      at 4  minutes per game
>>>>Movei-Jonny 23.5-26.5  at 10 minutes per game
>>>>Movei-Jonny 2.5-3.5    at 20 minutes per game
>>>>
>>>>games played under winboard.
>>>>It seems that Movei is simply weaker at long time control and it is not
>>>>surprising because it has poor order of moves and bad use of hash tables.
>>>>
>>>>The surprise that I have so far is the good results of it in WBEC.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>>what is a bit disturbing it, that you gave different Hash to different
>>>opponents. As you wrote 256 MB is more than enough for a 1 0 game and perhaps
>>>even hurts Jonny in the fast games (just a speculation).
>>>
>>>regards Joachim
>>
>>Based on watching some games it did not seem to me that big hash hurted Jonny(it
>>is not a program that clears it's hash after it's moves and I believe that it
>>did not lose games on time but I will check later).
>
>
>I used 64 Mb of hash for Jonny at blitz and it did great at Blitz, but at longer
>time control game in 5 hours I'm giving Jonny 256 MB.
>
>
>Jorge

I cannot treat the match when Aristarch searched 2 plies seriously.
No engine searched 2 plies in the match of movei against Jonny.

I guess that 64 mbytes or 256 mbytes does not change much in blitz for Jonny but
the author may give better opinion about it.

I think that Movei does not get advantage from more than 64 mbytes at long time
control.

I do not know what is the optimal hash for movei but I guess that at some point
adding more hash may be counter productive even without considering time to
clear hash because of some other history based pruning.

Uri



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