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Subject: Re: A boring position, may be?

Author: Daniel Jackson

Date: 10:53:09 07/23/04

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On July 23, 2004 at 01:26:04, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>On July 23, 2004 at 00:23:43, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
>>On July 22, 2004 at 16:49:02, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On July 22, 2004 at 03:40:26, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>>>
>>>>[D]1k1r3r/ppp1q1p1/4bp2/2p4p/3nPp2/1PNP1P2/P1PQB1PP/R3R2K b - -
>>>>
>>>>This position occurred in KnightCap-Warp in the Australasian Champs the other
>>>>day.  Warp played the rather dim h4, when g5 seems like a much better option.
>>>>After h4?! h3 black's chances of breaking through on the k-side have vanished.
>>>>
>>>>Do any other engines have this problem, or is it just some Warp specific brian
>>>>damage?
>>>>
>>>>cheers,
>>>>Peter
>>>
>>>CM9_SKR on an AMD 2500 says:
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>0:00	1/3	-0.87	862		1...g5 2.a3 Rhe8
>>>0:00	1/4	-0.97	2347		1...g5 2.a4 Rhe8 3.Nb5 Bd7
>>>0:00	1/5	-0.89	8730		1...g5 2.a4 Bxb3 3.cxb3 Nxb3 4.Qb2
>>>					Nxa1 5.Rxa1
>>>0:00	1/5	-0.91	11091		1...Rhe8 2.a4 Qd6 3.a5 g6
>>>0:00	1/6	-0.96	24470		1...Rhe8 2.a4 g5 3.Nb5 h4 4.Qa5 a6
>>>0:00	1/6	-1.18	86710		1...h4 2.a3 h3 3.Bf1 hxg2+ 4.Bxg2
>>>					g6
>>>0:00	1/7	-1.34	145146		1...h4 2.h3 Qd6 3.a4 g6 4.a5 Rde8
>>>0:01	1/8	-1.27	265689		1...h4 2.Bf1 h3 3.Ne2 hxg2+ 4.Bxg2
>>>					g5 5.Nxd4 cxd4 6.c3
>>>0:02	1/9	-1.36	600556		1...h4 2.Bf1 h3 3.Ne2 hxg2+ 4.Bxg2
>>>					g5 5.Nxd4 cxd4 6.Qa5 Qh7
>>>0:05	1/10	-1.36	1229407		1...h4 2.Bf1 h3 3.Ne2 hxg2+ 4.Bxg2
>>>					g5 5.Nxd4 cxd4 6.Qa5 Qh7
>>>0:24	1/11	-1.36	5307643		1...h4 2.h3 g5 3.Bf1 Rhe8 4.Na4
>>>					Bd7 5.c3 Bxa4 6.cxd4 Bd7
>>>1:05	1/12	-1.36	14485135	1...h4 2.h3 g5 3.Na4 Rhe8 4.Qc3
>>>					b6 5.Qd2 Qd7 6.Bf1 Bf7 7.Nc3
>>>3:03	1/13	-1.28	41577080	1...h4 2.h3 Qd6 3.a4 Nc6 4.Bf1
>>>					Bf7 5.Reb1 Qe5 6.a5 f5 7.Re1 Rh6
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>>There is nothing "dim" about h4 at all, infact it's a very good move!
>>If White plays h3, Black has weaked his K-Side!
>
>I dunno, it looks pretty dim to me!

Hey! Are you calling me dim?!;-)

It's not a simple choice, and if h3 can "hold" then g5 is clearly superior:)

Daniel
Demoted to Candidate Master;-)

>Obviously the g3 square is weak after h4 h3 but there is no way to easily
>exploit that and the downside is that black no longer has the g4 break at his
>disposal.
>
>Would you really prefer h4 to g5?  If black feels the need he can always play h4
>later, its not like white is able to stop it in any sensible way.
>
>
>cheers,
>Peter
>(ex) Chess Master
>
>>
>>Daniel
>>Chess Master



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