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Subject: Re: Test: quiet move and Zugzwang

Author: John Merlino

Date: 14:26:07 07/28/04

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On July 28, 2004 at 16:50:33, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On July 28, 2004 at 15:54:57, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On July 28, 2004 at 15:31:23, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On July 28, 2004 at 14:46:05, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>Wcrafty 19.15 (console mode P4 1.8) finds the solution
>>>>almost instantly.
>>>>Kurt
>>>>
>>>>[D]1knB4/8/7p/5R2/7K/8/3r4/7B w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Is the solution to find 1.Rb5+ or to find the proper continuation (3.Kg4, for
>>>example)?
>>
>>FYI, CM9_SKR on an AMD 2500 finds Rb5+ in less than one second:
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>0:00	1/3	0.58	1199		1.Rb5+ Nb6 2.Rxb6+ Kc8 3.Be4 Rxd8
>>					4.Rxh6
>>0:00	1/3	2.15	1376		1.Bd5 Nd6 2.Re5 Rf2
>>0:00	1/4	2.21	2747		1.Bd5 Nd6 2.Re5 Nc4
>>0:00	1/5	0.60	7343		1.Bd5 Nd6 2.Rh5 Rh2+ 3.Kg4 Rxh5
>>					4.Kxh5
>>0:00	1/6	0.60	20372		1.Bd5 Nd6 2.Rh5 Rh2+ 3.Kg4 Rxh5
>>					4.Kxh5 Nf5 5.Kg4
>>0:00	1/7	0.57	56760		1.Bd5 Nd6 2.Rh5 Ne4 3.Bxe4 Rxd8
>>					4.Rxh6 Kc7
>>0:00	1/8	0.40	131757		1.Bd5 Nd6 2.Re5 Nc4 3.Bxc4 Rxd8
>>					4.Kh5 Rd4
>>0:00	1/8	0.57	218570		1.Rb5+ Nb6 2.Rxb6+ Kc8 3.Bg5 Rh2+
>>					4.Kg3 Rxh1 5.Bxh6 Kc7 6.Be3 Re1
>>0:01	1/9	0.57	467441		1.Rb5+ Nb6 2.Rxb6+ Kc8 3.Bg5 hxg5+
>>					4.Kxg5 Kc7 5.Rc6+ Kd7 6.Be4 Rd4
>>					7.Bf3
>>0:02	2/10	0.58	922112		1.Rb5+ Nb6 2.Rxb6+ Kc8 3.Kg3 Kxd8
>>					4.Rxh6 Rd4 5.Bf3 Ke7 6.Rc6 Kd8
>>0:05	3/11	0.58	1942346		1.Rb5+ Nb6 2.Rxb6+ Kc8 3.Kg3 Kxd8
>>					4.Rxh6 Rd4 5.Kf2 Ke7 6.Ke3 Rd1
>>					7.Rh7+ Kd6 8.Be4
>>0:12	4/12	0.59	4557802		1.Rb5+ Nb6 2.Kg3 Rxd8 3.Rxb6+ Kc7
>>					4.Rc6+ Kd7 5.Rxh6 Kc7 6.Rc6+ Kd7
>>					7.Bd5 Re8 8.Kf4 Re2
>>0:29	5/13	0.59	11225567	1.Rb5+ Nb6 2.Rxb6+ Kc8 3.Kg3 Kxd8
>>					4.Rxh6 Rd4 5.Kf2 Ke7 6.Ke3 Rd6
>>					7.Rh7+ Ke6 8.Be4 Rd1
>>1:09	6/14	0.59	28697028	1.Rb5+ Nb6 2.Rxb6+ Kc8 3.Kg3 Kxd8
>>					4.Rxh6 Rd4 5.Kf2 Ke7 6.Ke3 Rd6
>>					7.Rh7+ Ke6 8.Bf3 Ke5 9.Rh5+ Kf6
>>
>>jm
>
>
>     Hi Johne
>     Can we be sure that 1.Rb5 Nb6 2.Rxb6 Kc8 is
>     the only winning line?
>     Kurt

Well, now that I look at it more, I don't see how White wins at all? After
forcing the above four moves, CM_SKR gives a score of 0.58 for White. White is
going to lose one of its Bishops, and KRB vs KRP is a draw.

Or, perhaps I'm just a patzer and both The King and I are missing something.

jm



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