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Subject: Re: Positional move for the amateurs (Hiarcs 9)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 13:25:37 07/30/04

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On July 30, 2004 at 16:17:57, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On July 30, 2004 at 16:09:46, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On July 30, 2004 at 14:07:15, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>No chance for Hiarcs 9 to find 17...Rc4!
>>
>>Neue Partie,
>>2q2rk1/p1rn1ppp/1p2pn2/8/Q2P4/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/2RR2K1 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Hiarcs 9:
>>
>>1...Sd5 2.Dc2
>>  =  (0.22)   Tiefe: 1/13   00:00:00
>>1...Sd5 2.Dc2
>>  ²  (0.59)   Tiefe: 2/13   00:00:00
>>1...Sd5 2.c4
>>  ²  (0.59)   Tiefe: 2/13   00:00:00
>>1...Se4 2.Dc2 Sxd2
>>  ²  (0.52)   Tiefe: 2/13   00:00:00
>>1...Se4 2.c4
>>  ²  (0.52)   Tiefe: 2/13   00:00:00
>>1...Td8
>>  ²  (0.52)   Tiefe: 2/13   00:00:00
>>1...Td8 2.c4
>>  ²  (0.52)   Tiefe: 2/13   00:00:00
>>1...Td8 2.c4 Sf8
>>  ²  (0.56)   Tiefe: 3/13   00:00:00
>>1...Se4 2.c4
>>  ²  (0.52)   Tiefe: 3/13   00:00:00
>>1...Se4 2.c4
>>  ²  (0.27)   Tiefe: 3/13   00:00:00
>>1...Se4 2.Dc2 Sdf6
>>  =  (0.18)   Tiefe: 3/13   00:00:00
>>1...Se4 2.Dc2 Sxd2 3.Dxd2
>>  =  (0.23)   Tiefe: 4/13   00:00:00
>>1...Se4 2.c4 Sd6 3.Lf4 Txc4 4.Dxa7
>>  =  (0.16)   Tiefe: 5/13   00:00:00  4kN
>>1...Se4 2.c4 Sd6 3.Lf4 Txc4 4.Dxa7
>>  =  (0.16)   Tiefe: 6/15   00:00:00  18kN
>>1...Se4 2.Dc2 Sxd2 3.Sxd2 e5 4.Sf3 exd4 5.Sxd4
>>  =  (0.16)   Tiefe: 7/16   00:00:00  57kN
>>1...Se4 2.c4 Sxd2 3.Txd2 Db7 4.Tdd1 Tfc8
>>  ²  (0.27)   Tiefe: 8/18   00:00:00  170kN
>>1...Se4 2.c4 Sxd2 3.Txd2 Db7 4.Tdd1 Tfc8 5.Te1 Sf6 6.Dc2
>>  ²  (0.26)   Tiefe: 9/21   00:00:01  427kN
>>1...Se4 2.c4 Sxd2 3.Txd2 Db7 4.Tcc2 Tfc8 5.Te2 Sf6
>>  =  (0.20)   Tiefe: 10/22   00:00:02  1130kN
>>1...Se4 2.c4 Sxd2 3.Txd2 Db7 4.Tdc2 Tfc8 5.Db5 De4 6.a4
>>  =  (0.14)   Tiefe: 11/25   00:00:07  3014kN
>>1...Se4 2.c4 Sxd2 3.Txd2 Db7 4.Tdc2 Tfc8 5.Db5 De4 6.a4 Dd3
>>  =  (0.16)   Tiefe: 12/27   00:00:21  7762kN
>>1...Se4 2.c4 Sxd2 3.Txd2 Db7 4.Tdc2 Tfc8 5.Db5 De4 6.a4 Dd3 7.Td2 De4
>>  =  (0.16)   Tiefe: 13/35   00:01:04  22303kN
>>1...Se4 2.c4 Sxd2 3.Txd2 a6 4.Dc2 Db7 5.Sg5 Sf6
>>  =  (0.15)   Tiefe: 14/37   00:02:47  56539kN
>>1...Tc4 2.Dxa7
>>  =  (0.14)   Tiefe: 14/38   00:04:37  91883kN
>>1...Tc4 2.Dxa7 Dc6 3.Da3 Ta8 4.Db3 Tc8
>>  =  (0.14)   Tiefe: 14/38   00:04:39  92695kN
>>
>>(Drexel,  30.07.2004)
>
>     Hi Michael
>     What's this. I let Hiarcs 9 search up to
>     depth 15 without success whilst your engine
>     finds the move one ply earlier??
>     Kurt
>
>Analysis by Hiarcs 9: (Duron 1.3/64 MB hash)
>
>17...Se4 18.c4 Sxd2 19.Txd2 Db7 20.Db3 Tfc8 21.Te2 a6 22.a4 b5 23.axb5 axb5
>24.c5
>  =  (0.17)   Depth: 8/10   00:00:00
>  =  (0.16)   Depth: 15/38   00:23:13  232097kN

Maybe differen hash.

difference in the score was only 0.01 pawns

My fritz8(512 mbytes hash on A3000) finds it and lose it so do not be too happy
if some engine finds it because it may lose it in the next ply and I am not
concinced that Rc4 is the best move and the only best move.

New game
[D]2q2rk1/p1rn1ppp/1p2pn2/8/Q2P4/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/2RR2K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 8:

1...Rd8 2.c4 Qa8 3.Bf4 Rcc8 4.Bg5 a6
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:00  39kN
1...Ne4!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:00  53kN
1...Ne4 2.c4 Nxd2 3.Rxd2 Rd8 4.Qb5 Nf6 5.c5 Nd5
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:00  124kN
1...Ne4 2.c4 Nxd2 3.Rxd2 Rd8 4.Qb5 Nf6 5.c5 bxc5 6.dxc5 Nd5
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9/21   00:00:00  276kN
1...Ne4 2.c4 Nxd2 3.Rxd2 Rd8 4.Qb5 Nf6 5.c5 bxc5 6.dxc5 Rxd2 7.Nxd2 Rc6
  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 10/26   00:00:00  754kN
1...Ne4 2.c4 Nxd2 3.Nxd2 e5 4.Ne4 exd4 5.Rxd4 f5 6.Nd6 Nc5 7.Nxc8 Nxa4
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:01  1898kN
1...Rd8!
  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:02  3057kN
1...Rd8 2.c4 Qb7 3.Bf4 Rcc8 4.Re1 Ne4 5.Qb3 Ndf6 6.c5 Qc6 7.Ne5
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 12/26   00:00:04  5226kN
1...Ne4!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 12/30   00:00:05  6436kN
1...Ne4 2.c4 Nxd2 3.Rxd2 Rd8 4.Qb3 Qa8 5.Qe3 Rdc8 6.Qe2 Nf6 7.Ne5 Qe4 8.Qe3 Qd5
9.Re2
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 13/30   00:00:15  18522kN
1...Rd8!
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 13/32   00:00:19  23653kN
1...Rd8 2.c4 Qb7 3.Bf4 Rcc8 4.Re1 Ne4 5.Ng5 Nxg5 6.Bxg5 Re8 7.Bf4 Red8 8.Qb5 Qc6
9.Qxc6
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 14/30   00:00:32  40874kN
1...Ne4!
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 14/32   00:00:35  45338kN
1...Rc4!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14/35   00:00:46  61394kN
1...Rc4 2.Qxa7 Qc6 3.Qa3 Ra4 4.Qb3 Rfa8 5.Rc2 Ra3 6.Qb1 Qc4 7.Bf4 b5 8.Nd2 Qd5
  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 15/31   00:01:08  91502kN
1...Rc4 2.Qxa7 Qc6 3.Qa3 Ra4 4.Qb3 Rfa8 5.c4 Rxa2 6.Ne5 Nxe5 7.dxe5 Ng4 8.Qg3
Qe4 9.Re1 Qg6
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 16/42   00:01:51  152269kN
1...Rc4 2.Qxa7 Qc6 3.Qa3 Ra4 4.Qb3 Rfa8 5.c4 Rxa2 6.Ne5 Nxe5 7.dxe5 Ng4 8.Qg3
Qe4 9.Re1 Qd4 10.Be3
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 17/38   00:03:22  281385kN
1...Rc4 2.Qxa7 Qc6 3.Qa3 Ne4 4.Ne5 Nxe5 5.dxe5 Qc7 6.Qb3 Rb8 7.Be3 b5 8.Rd4 Rxc3
9.Qb1 Rxc1+
  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 18/43   00:10:12  849851kN
1...Ne4!
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 18/43   00:16:32  1383204kN

(, MyTown 30.07.2004)

Uri



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