Author: Vincent Lejeune
Date: 06:39:50 07/31/04
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On July 31, 2004 at 07:33:51, Uri Blass wrote: >On July 31, 2004 at 05:55:08, Vincent Lejeune wrote: > >>On July 31, 2004 at 01:05:03, Daniel Jackson wrote: >> >>>With balanced play, without error, chess is a draw....what else could it be? >>> >>>If God played God, it would be a draw, as each side would choose the "best" >>>move. >>> >>>I believe this has been solved mathematically. Even if it hasn't, logic dictates >>>a draw. White can't win due to one tempo. >> >>I think ideas like that are totally false, Othello seems draw too, no human >>achieved to prove a side was winning but a comp prove first player is winning, >>same thing for the pawn-game (proved winning for white in CCC) ... > >pawn game is different and the rules do not favour draws like regular chess. > >I do not remember the exact rules but I think that only stalemate for both sides >was considered as a draw. > >I do not know much about othello but no proof for a win is not the reason that >people believe that chess is a draw and the fact that most games in chess >between top players are drawn 2800 isn't that a bit weak to judge a chess position ? each time computers improve, humans move back All the games played by human are based in current theorical lines, most of these lines will be proved *false*, the fact that theory improve show that "strong human" aren't that strong and are just seekers in huge amount of variations. http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~mburo/event.html Takeshi Murakami (0) vs. Logistello (6) , ho yes, Takeshi Murakami, was only the world champion, he lost 3 times with black , 3 times with white; despite to be a world champion you can't rival computers in calculating billions lines per seconds, even with all your positionnal knowledge created by intelligent humans. That the reason I don't trust the results between "strong humans" Initial position is draw ? e4 c5 is draw ? e4 e5 f4 is draw ? nobody knows, only computers in the futur could be reveal that ! How many position with 10 pieces in the board that a super GM would say "yes it's equal" and a 10 men EGTB will prove instantly human are wrong ? A LOT ! > is the reason for the impression that chess is a >draw. > >Uri > >> >>Nothing prove that "the only winning move in chess for white is not 1.b3" !!! >> >> >>(No offense to you Daniel ;) ... but only against some established thinking) >> >> >>> >>>Daniel >>> >>>P.S. 1.h3 is inferior but not a lost afaik.
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