Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:29:48 08/03/04
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On August 02, 2004 at 20:51:56, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: Subject: Re: wereldkampioenschap ICGA - 3 deelnemers? Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:55:04 +0100 Hi Vincent Thank you for pointing this out to us. In fact the official title of the event is "Man vs Machine World Chess Team Championship". I agreed this title with the Bilbao organisers when I visited them last year to discuss the event and I confirmed it to them in writing on September 15th 2003. 2004 is the first year for the team event and, if it is a publicity success, it is expected to grow from year to year, with the teams on each side becoming larger. I have pointed out the error to the people in Bilbao and have asked them to insert the word "Team". I have explained to them that the ICGA has already designated Kasparov vs Deep Junior and Kasparov vs Deep Fritz as individual world championships for man vs machine. Kind regards, David Levy >On August 02, 2004 at 16:06:32, Tony Werten wrote: > >>On August 02, 2004 at 14:31:48, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On August 02, 2004 at 11:14:11, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>> >>>>On August 02, 2004 at 11:00:01, Albert Silver wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 02, 2004 at 10:34:23, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 02, 2004 at 10:03:23, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>In a match of the best programs against three of the best players of the world >>>>>>>Shredder did not participate in this interesting challenge.It is obviosly the >>>>>>>same old story of money. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What a pitty, the best program of the world would fit in the team best of >>>>>>>computers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Please see >>>>>>>www.ajedrezbilbao.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>>TL >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for the news, Thomas ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?379472 >>>>>>http://chessbase.com/espanola/newsdetail2.asp?id=3048 >>>>>>http://www.ajedrezbilbao.com/FestivalEN.htm >>>>>> >>>>>>Junior is current world champion! >>>>>>Fritz as synonym for a computer chess program has a wildcard ;-) >>>>>>Isn't there a playoff between Hydra and Shredder? >>>>>> >>>>>>Gerd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I don't agree. Of the 6 participants, Junior is the only one that makes clear >>>>>sense as it is the reigning World Champion. However, Hydra has won one >>>>>tournament, and isn't even doing that amazingly on the Playchess server, if >>>>>that's a reference. And much as I admire Fritz, it loses to Shredder in both the >>>>>SSDF rating lists and the WC titles. The human players are the same. I have the >>>>>utmost respect for them, and look forward to the games, but to claim they are >>>>>the absolute best humanity has to offer is ridiculous, barring Topalov, but >>>>>especially Karjakin. Either they should be the best human players period, or the >>>>>best players against computers. Still, what is meant is that without clearer >>>>>reasons for the players selected, or some form of qualifying process, it is >>>>>impossible to claim a World Championship in which *many* other candidates could >>>>>easily come ahead if they were allowed a chance to participate. It is a purely >>>>>invitational event with a fancy but meaningless title. >>>>> >>>>> Albert >>>> >>>> >>>>Yes, i was a bit ironic about the event. >>>> >>>>I wonder whether there is still no comment or confirmation on chessbase.com or >>>>icga-site. I mean a Human verus Computer World Championship (what discipline?) >>>>is a rather strong title for some "arbitrary" choosen players and programs. >>>>Specially if supported by the ICGA. >>> >>>World Computer Chess Championship is the official ICGA world championship, and >>>the top three were: >>> >>>1. Junior >>>2. Shredder >>>3. Diep >>> >>>It is especially interesting to see Hydra there, which didn't even participate >>>in the ICGA world championship... >> >>We could ask ICGA to clarify, since their logo is also on the website. We can >>also just conclude they got money for it. Don't think there is much difference. >> >>It would be interesting to hear wether Vincent or Stefan were asked to >>participate and if they had to bring money. >> >>Tony > >I have not been asked anything. > >To ICGA i have shipped next and i look forward to answer : > >--------------------------------- > >Good evening, > >Please visit: > >http://www.ajedrezbilbao.com/FestivalEN.htm > >The homepage seems to suggest that the ICGA recognizes this world championship >human-computers. > >Is that the case? >Could you explain why? > >Vincent Diepeveen >Acacialaan 1 >3901 XC Veenendaal > >My lawyer in this are : >Mr. T. van Kooten >Grefnigt & Van Kippersluis >Biltstraat 97 >Postbus 13006 >3507 LA Utrecht >The Netherlands > >I received from the vice-president next so far : > >Vincent, > >Thank you for the URL: as you cc David Levy, I'll leave the explanation >to him. > >I referred an enquiry about 'ICGA Endorsement' two weeks ago: maybe this >was the event anticipated. > >I have no use for your lawyer's details and wonder why you bothered to >include them. > >Regards - Guy
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