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Subject: Re: MVV/LVA verses MVV/MVA

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 22:23:59 08/03/04

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On August 04, 2004 at 00:33:37, Dan Honeycutt wrote:

>On August 04, 2004 at 00:09:10, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 03, 2004 at 22:07:58, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>In a thesis paper on hardware move generation, the author found better success
>>>with MVV/MVA than MVV/LVA for normal search (as opposed to quiescent).
>>>http://www.macs.ece.mcgill.ca/~mboul/ICGApaper.pdf has this:
>>>
>>>"The arbiters are also capable of dynamically reversing priorities, thereby
>>>permitting two different move ordering schemes: most-valuable-victim /
>>>least-valuable-aggressor (MVV/LVA) and most-valuable-victim /
>>>most-valuableaggressor
>>>(MVV/MVA). This is labeled MVV/XVA. It was observed that MVV/MVA is the better
>>>of the two move ordering methods during full-width tree searching (13% fewer
>>>nodes, 10 opening-game test positions used).  However, in quiescence search,
>>>MVV/LVA is the preferred ordering (9% fewer nodes, same test positions). It
>>>seems logical that during capture search, it is better to capture with the
>>>least-valued pieces first. In full-width searching, the stronger pieces
>>>typically cause the most damage and/or board control, explaining the somewhat
>>>unorthodox MVV/MVA move ordering."
>>
>>
>>Are you sure that capturing with the king cause the most demage in full-width
>>search?
>>
>>I think that it may be better to capture with another piece because capturing
>>with the king can cause king safety problems.
>>
>>Uri
>
>If the MVV is attacked by the king I don't see hou you could go wrong - no
>recapture to worry about.
>
>Dan H.


No recapture to worry about but king attacks to worry about.

[D]rnbqkb1r/pp1Bpppp/5n2/2p5/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - 0 3

I prefer to capture first with smaller piece and not with the king

After Kxd7 checks like Qg4+ may be extended when after another move the king is
safe from stupid checks that can cause extensions so the tree is smaller.

Uri



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