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Subject: Re: Some Chess benches - what's wrong?

Author: Ingo Bauer

Date: 06:26:23 08/07/04

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On August 07, 2004 at 06:34:17, Drexel,Michael wrote:

>On August 07, 2004 at 01:31:53, Ingo Bauer wrote:
>
>>Hello Peter
>>
>>>Athlon 64 3200+
>>>
>>>Phalanx 493909    12% faster
>>>Shredder Classic 2.11 22.7% faster
>>>Crafty 19.15  1115929 52 12.307692 20% slower
>>>
>>>PIV 3.2GHzHT
>>>
>>>Phalanx 441072
>>>Shredder Classic 1.72
>>>Crafty 19.15  1349496 43 14.884
>>
>>1. I have no clue about Phalanx!
>>
>>2. If we are talking about the "bench" command in the classic-gui the bench is
>>in the gui and is not using any engine. This command is quite accurate if you
>>compare AMD oder P3 like CPUs (eg it should be ok for the Centrino as well). The
>>test is penelizing P4 CPUs. Your 2.11 basicly says that your CPU is 2.11 times
>>faster than a 1.0GHz P3. Which is ok but the 3.2GHz P4 is faster than a 1.72GHz
>>P3!
>>
>>3. I doubt that result of crafty. Something is wrong. Your AMD 64 is for sure
>>NOT 20% slower than the P4 even in 32bit mode!
>>
>>To get a correct result of different CPUs is difficult. Just to get a guess.
>>Take 5 Engines (e.g. Fritz, Shredder, Crafty, YACE, ProDeo (or your choise, the
>>more engines you use the better!)), take the starting position. Let them
>>calculate with fixed Hashsize for 1 min. Add the calculated nodes for each CPU
>>and divide it by the number of programs. Then you get an average node number
>>which is somehow balanced by the fact that some progs are better at P4s and some
>>are better on AMD. Eg it is said that Shredder likes AMD and Fritz P4.(Maybe
>>Crafty is not the best choise for this test because your AMD is for sure NOT 20%
>>slower than the P4, something IS broken there!)
>>
>>If you want my guess for your Computer: They are very close in speed. If I have
>>to bet an a winner I chose the ... P4. You know my PC and I usually compare it
>>with a P4 from 3.2-3.4 GHz. SO I think yours is slightly slower than a 3.2 GHz.
>>
>>
>
>No way, A64 2.2 Ghz is considerably faster than P4 3.2 Ghz for Chess.

As I said, they are damnd close! I only would give the 3.2GHz P4 a slight edge
because Peter and I compared his A64 with mine A-XT with the same Crafty
executable. Mine was a bit faster (interesting enough it was proportional to my
additional real clock speed). I compare my comp @2.5GHz usually with a P4 3.2 -
3.4 GHz. Thats why I think the P4 - 3.2 might have a slight edge!

Lets hope Peter give it a try!
Ingo



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