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Subject: Re: in some cases humans are much better in tactics than computers

Author: Richard Pijl

Date: 15:14:59 08/07/04

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On August 07, 2004 at 08:51:51, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:

>[D]3r2rk/3n1pp1/2p1b2p/3q3P/pp1PNQ2/2P2P2/PP6/KB4RR w - - 0 29
>
>In this speedchessgame in round two of the fide-wcc 2004 the IM Neelotpal
>(2457)found with 29.Rg1-g6 !! with the thread to sacrifice the rook on h6 the
>strongest move to show that white is not(!) worse in this position.
>
>I bet that every computer of the world wouldn´t have found this in a compareable
>time.
>
>So this is a lesson in tactics where computers can learn form human players.
>
>Do you agree?
>
>TL

Ready for a surprise?

The Baron 1.4.0 selects Rg6 for the first time in 1:48 on a P4-2.4. It changes
to Qe3 after 2:46, and finds Rg6 again after 3:59. So in order to win the bet I
only need to find a faster computer :-). Baron doesn't see a win. But well, that
wasn't part of the bet, was it?
Richard.

 ply       time        nodes   score  pv
  4( 8)&   0:00.11     10718   -0.02  Qf4-e3 Rd8-b8 Ne4-d2 b4xc3
  4(10).   0:00.27     35188   -0.02  Qf4-e3 Rd8-b8 Ne4-d2 b4xc3
  5(10)&   0:00.38     48327   -0.19  Qf4-e3 Rd8-b8 Qe3-d2 b4xc3 Ne4xc3 Qd5-c4
  5(12).   0:01.04    130370   -0.19  Qf4-e3 Rd8-b8 Qe3-d2 b4xc3 Ne4xc3 Qd5-c4
  6(11)&   0:01.32    165906   -0.17  Qf4-e3 Rd8-b8 Qe3-d2 c6-c5 Rh1-h4 c5xd4
  6(12)&   0:01.70    249380   -0.11  Ne4-d6 b4xc3 b2xc3 Nd7-f6 Nd6-f5 Qd5-a5
                                      c3-c4
  6(13).   0:02.80    485182   -0.11  Ne4-d6 b4xc3 b2xc3 Nd7-f6 Nd6-f5 Qd5-a5
                                      c3-c4
  7(14)&   0:03.79    690702   -0.22  Ne4-d6 b4xc3 b2xc3 Nd7-f6 Nd6-f5 Qd5-a5
                                      Rg1-c1 Nf6-d5
  7(15).   0:07.19   1452010   -0.22  Ne4-d6 b4xc3 b2xc3 Nd7-f6 Nd6-f5 Qd5-a5
                                      Rg1-c1 Nf6-d5
  8(16)&   0:12.08   2501757   -0.21  Ne4-d6 Nd7-f6 Nd6-e4 Nf6xe4 f3xe4 Qd5-c4
                                      Rg1-c1 b4xc3 b2xc3
  8(16)&   0:19.72   4174137   -0.08  Qf4-e3 Qd5-a5 Ne4-d6 b4xc3 Qe3xc3 Qa5xc3
                                      b2xc3 Nd7-f6 Nd6-b7
  8(16)&   0:25.10   5371588   -0.06  Rg1-c1 Rd8-b8 Qf4-e3 (a4-a3) (b2-b3)
(b4xc3)
                                      (Ne4xc3) (Qd5-g5) (Qe3xg5)
  8(16).   0:26.80   5788747   -0.06  Rg1-c1 Rd8-b8 Qf4-e3 (a4-a3) (b2-b3)
(b4xc3)
                                      (Ne4xc3) (Qd5-g5) (Qe3xg5)
  9(17)&   0:36.03   7788643   -0.25  Rg1-c1 Rd8-b8 Qf4-e3 b4xc3 Ne4xc3 a4-a3
                                      b2-b3 Qd5-d6 Bb1-d3 Rg8-e8
  9(17)&   1:28.26  19176167   -0.16  Rg1-g2 a4-a3 b2-b3 c6-c5 Qf4-e3 c5xd4
                                      c3xd4 Rd8-c8 Bb1-d3 Qd5-c6
  9(18)+   1:48.20  23195404   +0.29  Rg1-g6 (f7xg6) (h5xg6) (h6-h5) (c3-c4) (Qd
5-f5)
                                      (Qf4xf5) (Be6xc4)
  9(18)&   1:52.37  24030932   +0.65  Rg1-g6 f7xg6 h5xg6 h6-h5 c3-c4 Rg8-f8
                                      Qf4-e3 Qd5-a5 Ne4-g5 Be6-g4
  9(18).   1:52.37  24036066   +0.65  Rg1-g6 f7xg6 h5xg6 h6-h5 c3-c4 Rg8-f8
                                      Qf4-e3 Qd5-a5 Ne4-g5 Be6-g4
 10(19)-   2:09.62  28491321   +0.30  Rg1-g6 (f7xg6) (h5xg6) (Rg8-e8) (Rh1xh6)
(Kh8-g8)
                                      (Rh6-h4) (a4-a3) (b2xa3) (Qd5-f5) (Qf4-d6)
(Nd7-e5)
                                      (Qd6xe5) (Qf5xe5)
 10(20)&   2:14.29  29541379   -0.25  Rg1-g6 f7xg6 h5xg6 Rg8-e8 Rh1xh6 Kh8-g8
                                      Rh6-h4 a4-a3 b2xa3 Qd5-f5 Qf4-c7 Kg8-f8
                                      Rh4-h8
 10(20)&   2:46.59  36802591   -0.11  Qf4-e3 a4-a3 b2-b3 b4xc3 Ne4xc3 Qd5-d6
                                      Bb1-c2 Rg8-e8 Nc3-e4 Qd6-e7 Bc2-d3
 10(20).   3:00.32  40259328   -0.11  Qf4-e3 a4-a3 b2-b3 b4xc3 Ne4xc3 Qd5-d6
                                      Bb1-c2 Rg8-e8 Nc3-e4 Qd6-e7 Bc2-d3
 11(19)&   3:30.03  47039599   -0.20  Qf4-e3 a4-a3 b2-b3 b4xc3 Rg1-c1 c3-c2
                                      Bb1xc2 Rg8-e8 Rc1-g1 Be6-f5 Bc2-d3 Nd7-e5
 11(21)+   3:59.80  53755805   +0.24  Rg1-g6 (f7xg6) (h5xg6) (Rg8-e8) (Rh1xh6)
(Kh8-g8)
                                      (Rh6-h4) (a4-a3) (b2xa3) (b4xc3)
(Ne4xc3)(Qd5-c4)
                                      (Ka1-b2)
 11(21)&   4:15.51  57458009   +0.55  Rg1-g6 f7xg6 h5xg6 Rg8-e8 Rh1xh6 Kh8-g8
                                      Rh6-h4 Rd8-b8 Ne4-d6 b4xc3 b2xc3 Re8-f8
                                      Qf4-h2 Rf8xf3
 11(21).   4:41.66  64504924   +0.55  Rg1-g6 f7xg6 h5xg6 Rg8-e8 Rh1xh6 Kh8-g8
                                      Rh6-h4 Rd8-b8 Ne4-d6 b4xc3 b2xc3 Re8-f8
                                      Qf4-h2 Rf8xf3
 12(25)&   5:16.26  72664902   +0.29  Rg1-g6 f7xg6 h5xg6 Rg8-e8 Rh1xh6 Kh8-g8
                                      Rh6-h4 Rd8-b8 c3xb4 Qd5xd4 Qf4-h2 Kg8-f8
                                      Rh4-f4 Kf8-e7 Qh2-h4 Nd7-f6
 12(25).   7:03.58 101883167   +0.29  Rg1-g6 f7xg6 h5xg6 Rg8-e8 Rh1xh6 Kh8-g8
                                      Rh6-h4 Rd8-b8 c3xb4 Qd5xd4 Qf4-h2 Kg8-f8
                                      Rh4-f4 Kf8-e7 Qh2-h4 Nd7-f6
 13(23)&   8:22.40 120471480   +0.09  Rg1-g6 f7xg6 h5xg6 Rg8-e8 Rh1xh6 Kh8-g8
                                      Rh6-h4 a4-a3 b2-b3 b4xc3 Ne4-d6 Re8-e7
                                      Nd6-f5 Be6xf5 Bb1xf5 Nd7-f6
 13(25).  18:49.60 264792264   +0.09  Rg1-g6 f7xg6 h5xg6 Rg8-e8 Rh1xh6 Kh8-g8
                                      Rh6-h4 a4-a3 b2-b3 b4xc3 Ne4-d6 Re8-e7
                                      Nd6-f5 Be6xf5 Bb1xf5 Nd7-f6
 14(25)&  20:49.66 296024922   -0.16  Rg1-g6 f7xg6 h5xg6 Rg8-e8 Rh1xh6 Kh8-g8
                                      Rh6-h7 b4xc3 Ne4xc3 Qd5-c4 Qf4-h2 Kg8-f8
                                      Qh2-d6 Re8-e7 Rh7xg7 Rd8-e8 Rg7-h7



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