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Subject: Re: Super Tournament III Qualifier (standings after 38 of 76 rounds)

Author: Graham Banks

Date: 11:45:10 08/08/04

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On August 08, 2004 at 14:21:02, David Dahlem wrote:

>On August 07, 2004 at 19:37:30, Graham Banks wrote:
>
>>On August 07, 2004 at 19:10:02, David Dahlem wrote:
>>
>>>On August 07, 2004 at 18:07:09, Graham Banks wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 07, 2004 at 17:30:39, David Dahlem wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 07, 2004 at 17:01:38, Graham Banks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Athlon XP2000
>>>>>>256mb hash each (or closest allowed by each program)
>>>>>>3,4,5 piece tablebases
>>>>>>All using Fritz Powerbook tournament book (maximum variety, minimum 5 games for
>>>>>>a move to be played, no learning)
>>>>>>40 moves in 40 minutes repeating.
>>>>>>Ponder off
>>>>>>Tournament run under Deep Fritz 8 GUI
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>STANDINGS (after 38 of 76 rounds)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>29.5	- CM9000 Judge II
>>>>>>24.0	- List 512
>>>>>>23.5	- Gandalf 5.1
>>>>>>23.0	- SOS 4
>>>>>>22.5	- Thinker 4.6c
>>>>>>22.5	- Rebel 12
>>>>>>22.0	- Pharaon 2.62
>>>>>>21.0	- CM 10th Edition (default)
>>>>>>21.0	- Delfi 4.5
>>>>>>18.0	- Anaconda 1.6.2
>>>>>>18.0	- Deep Sjeng 1.6
>>>>>>18.0	- Tao 5.6
>>>>>>17.0	- Gothmog 1.0b10
>>>>>>16.5	- El Chinito 3.25
>>>>>>15.5	- Yace 0.99.87
>>>>>>15.0	- Crafty 19.15
>>>>>>14.5	- Little Goliath Revival
>>>>>>13.5	- Fruit 1.5
>>>>>>13.5	- Slow Chess 2.93a
>>>>>>11.5	- Comet B68
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The top three programs apart from CM9000 Judge II and CM 10th Edition will play
>>>>>>in the final stage of Super Tournament III at 40 moves in 120 minutes repeating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The games and crosstable should be up on Kurt’s website sometime soon. .
>>>>>>http://www.utzingerk.com/banks/st_03_qual.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I will now be replacing Rebel 12 with Pro Deo 1.0 and rerunning the first 38
>>>>>>games before proceeding into the second half of the tournament as I like to try
>>>>>>and keep all current program versions in my tournament.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Comments welcome.
>>>>>>Graham.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Graham
>>>>>
>>>>>I really can't understand the poor showing of CM 10th Edition (default). For me,
>>>>>it plays much stronger than this. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi Dave,
>>>>I don't think that CM 10th Edition will require as much tweaking as CM9000 in
>>>>order to get stronger settings. I'd obviously put the selectivity up to 12 and
>>>>I'd change the material values slightly. Apart from these, I can't see too many
>>>>weak areas of play - maybe pawn weaknesses might need altering upwards?
>>>>I'm very interested in the results you've had with CM 10th Edition (default) if
>>>>you'd like to share them.
>>>>Graham.
>>>
>>>Ok, here's a quick rundown according to EloStat.
>>>
>>>    Program          Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws
>>>
>>>  1 Shredder 8     : 2486   92  87    43    64.0%   2386   34.9%
>>>  2 Shredder 7     : 2409  199 106    15    53.3%   2386   53.3%
>>>  3 TheKing 3.33   : 2384   55  74    79    44.9%   2419   39.2%
>>>  4 TheKing 3.23   : 2365  118 191    16    46.9%   2386   43.8%
>>>  5 Ruffian Leiden : 2005  382 218     5    10.0%   2386   20.0%
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Dave
>>
>>
>>What time control? And did you alter selectivity or is everything apart from
>>hash at default settings?
>>Graham.
>
>Hi Graham
>
>What Selective Search setting are you using for TheKing 3.33? I don't really
>have to set the parameters because of my setup. This is the line i use in my
>wb2uci.eng file:
>
>InitString=cm_parm default\ncm_parm opk=xxxxxx\n
>
>This automatically uses the proper default settings. According to a post from
>Johan de Koning, the default SS setting should be 10, and not 9 as in TheKing
>3.23. Here is what he said about the changes (i saved this to a text file):
>
>TheKing 3.33 changes ...
>
>Slightly increased mobility weight.
>Much increased R against K attack.
>Some minor changes for more accurate positional play.
>Selectivity scheme changed quite a bit
>(now default SS=10, probably 12...14 will be strong in comp-competition)
>Time usage more aggressive.
>Version number 0.10 higher. :-)
>
>... Johan
>
>This info should be very useful for anyone creating custom personalities for
>TheKing 3.33. :-)
>
>Regards
>Dave


Hi Dave,
I'm using the default settings as my setup doesn't seem to list parameters or
allow alterations either.
Graham.



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