Author: Paul Clarke
Date: 06:04:03 08/11/04
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On August 11, 2004 at 06:23:32, Derek Paquette wrote: >On August 10, 2004 at 16:59:55, Ricardo Rego wrote: > >>Hi >> >>I heard from a plenty number of guys at Go schools (Nihon Ki-in) & Go Forums >>that "chess has been more or less 'solved' as a programming problem". Indeed, >>they provided me the following link, where a gentlemen explains why computers >>can't play Go: http://www.cns.nyu.edu/~mechner/compgo/sciences/ >> >>Someone says "Go is totally intuition, on the other hand, chess is totally >>tactics"... and so on and so for. This is a considerable exaggeration. Calculation is less important in Go than in chess, but it's still important. >>Ok, I am a Chess lover and I like to play Go, as well, but I cannot see how >>programming Go programs can be more dificult than Chess. >> There are two main problems (1) As someone has already mentioned, it's hard to write even half-decent evaluation function for Go. At least with chess you can start with material and piece-square tables, and go on from there. (2) The branching factor for Go on the full-size (19x19) board is large: over 300 in the opening and still 100 or so in typical endgame. You can get round (2) by playing 9x9 Go, but that still leaves (1). >>What is your opinion about that ? >>TIA, Ricardo > >When I think about this question, >how long has someone or some people's really trying to code a really good Go >program compared to the amount of time people have been playing and studying it >over in asia and around the world. > >Now consider how long they have been programming for it, and look at the >programs, already master level, Go programs aren't at master level: they're not even at my level (amateur 2-dan - at a very rough guess that might correspond to about an 1800 chess rating). >give it another 10 years, and you'll see the same affect the programs are having >in chess > >masters running scared :) If programmers make good progress I might be running scared in 10 years time, but I think the professional players will be safe for a while.
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