Author: José Carlos
Date: 16:06:06 08/11/04
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On August 11, 2004 at 16:29:06, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On August 11, 2004 at 15:59:29, José Carlos wrote: > >Hi Jose, > >again: > >Once problem I have with ProDeo are mails by users which try the engine in Arena >tourneys. The tourneys stopped after I believe 120 moves. Now the persons await >from our team a bugfix. Perhaps you understand my message now a little bit >better. We can't see a reason to fixed some things! I understand it exactly as before: you have a problem and disturb Ed to fix your problem. If _you_ decide to create a web page and a support forum for Arena, fix your own problems, Frank. Pro Deo, as Averno or Crafty or Cilian, is freeware. If you're ready to interface with freeware, you must be ready for it not to work as you expect. Freeware has no warranty, it might work or it might crash every 5 minutes. Learn to live with that. >The next problem I have are the adapters. Arena don't need the adapters because >Arena have a very good WB and UCI support. Arena users try the adapter, find >mistakes and write us a mail. I'm starting to believe that your Arena users are not very smart. No intention to insult, but if they email you because Pro Deo crashes and they email you because the adapter doesn't work... well, maybe I should email you next time my car stops working. It's very easy if you don't want problems: in your web site, post a list of supported engines; don't list Pro Deo there; don't list any adapter either. Put a link to the list in the heading of your forum. Just one idea, but you can solve your problem in many other different ways. >What I have to answer in this case? "Arena doesn't support adapters". >Arena don't need a adapter is for the most not an await answer because the users >are thinking if the program need under other GUIs an adapter the engine must >used the adapter under Arena too :-) That's their problem. But from heart, I'm sure your users are more intelligent than all this you're saying. >This have not to do with Rebel, max a little bit because I see that Ed have an >adapter configuration on his commercial Rebel CD-Rom. Ed is thinking on the >ChessBase users and add the adapter on the CD. This is OK but give me a good >explanation for people which asked us to the adapter storys. "Arena doesn't support adapters". "Pro Deo is not supported by Arena. Email Mr. Shroeder for issues about that program". >Example: >Look in Arena Event Forum ... > >Michael Jesdinsky: >http://f27.parsimony.net/forum67213/messages/2301.htm >And much other of the messages about it! Good idea to link to a post in german. I love to read languajes I don't know. >Jose, please believe me ... I only believe in facts, Frank. Religion and such is not for me. >The best way is to work hand in hand and to make the engines compatible to each >other GUIs. "The best way" to what? To the best for computer chess fans? Let them speak for themselves. I prefer to receive 200 emails about Averno not working on this or that GUI than to read your "summary" for all of them. They are old enough to make their own claims. >You know that this is at the moment not possible because every GUI >programmer have other ideas. But for users its a little chaos, perhaps not for >you but for much others. Again, speak for yourself. You're not "the choosen one". People can ask. They'll be listened, don't doubt it. >And the problems comes to a good support which try to solved such problems. If you decide to give such support, do it. That's all. Explain them why this or that engine has this or that problem. If you don't want to do the latter, nobody forces you to "give support". >So I give me the question: >Why we make such a work to make all compatible if different users will used an >adapter! And all this for a perfect working GUI which don't need such adapters. Why does that bother you? Let people do what they want. They're free, aren't they? >I can give you the answer :-) >The persons like UCI and like it to get more information by the engine. Speaking in the name of the poor people that can't do theirselves again? >We can solved the problem with a WB protocol III. We? You mean Martin Blume and you or what? Don't count on me to change my interface. Or maybe yes. Maybe I'll change it. It depends on my feelings if a new protocol is proposed, but not definetly because you think it solves an inexistent problem. >Now you know the reason for my >messages here. Not more not less ... because I like it to have an result if I >make me the work and give such comments. Wellcome to the freeware world. This software is provided "as is", without any warranty whatsoever. Use it if you want, and throw it to the trash bin if you don't want it. >Not again yourself, not again Ed or others ... >The problem are the converter / adapters for GUIs which don't need it. It's a problem only in your imagination, or what do you think of this: I have a computer with Red Hat Linux installed and I open a VMWare virtual machine with windows 2000 running in where I use a program I wrote that calls Arena and sends some windows messages to press buttons and select menu items and chooses the engines to play a match, and those engines use an adapter to change from winboard to uci and from uci to winboard seven times before they connect to Arena!!! Terrible problem? You gonna suicide? No, not at all. I can do whatever stupidity I want in my computer. That's it. >Last comment: >Try ProDeo without the UCI adapter, it works better ... believe me! > >Best >Frank Great suggestion, Frank. As I'm so stupid, I never considered running a winboard engine loaded as a winboard engine. How could I forget that? Answer: it was the first I tried. It crashed. I didn't call uncle Frank crying, I just tried the UCI version. It worked. Good enough for me, I don't need anything else. José C.
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