Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 23:08:32 08/11/04
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On August 11, 2004 at 19:10:52, Uri Blass wrote:
>On August 11, 2004 at 18:11:28, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>[Event "Arena tournament"]
>>[Site "S0025128408"]
>>[Date "2004.08.11"]
>>[Round "4"]
>>[White "Gothmog_10-b10"]
>>[Black "Movei00_8_251s"]
>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>[ECO "E12/32"]
>>[Opening "Queen's Indian"]
>>[Time "20:54:26"]
>>[Variation "Petrosian System Transposed"]
>>[TimeControl "1800+0"]
>>[Termination "normal"]
>>[PlyCount "227"]
>>[WhiteType "program"]
>>[BlackType "program"]
>>
>>1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.Nc3 Bb7 5.a3 d5 6.cxd5 exd5 7.g3 c5 8.Bg2 Be7 9.O-O
>>O-O 10.Bf4 Na6 11.Ne5 Nc7 12.dxc5 bxc5 13.Nc4 Rb8 {0.00/11 21} 14.Bxc7 Qxc7
>>{+0.24/12 19} 15.Nxd5 Bxd5 {0.00/12 22} 16.Bxd5 {-0.25/16 64} Rbd8 {+0.12/12 33}
>>17.e4
>>{-0.32/15 53} Nxe4 {+0.07/11 13} 18.Ne3 {-0.16/14 90} Qe5 {+0.47/10 13} 19.Qe1
>>{-0.32/13
>>61} Rxd5 {+0.35/11 50} 20.Nxd5 {-0.29/15 39} Qxd5 {+0.39/12 18} 21.f3 {-0.32/14
>>30}
>>Nxg3 {+0.26/11 51} 22.hxg3 {-0.04/13 34} Bf6 {+0.15/10 15} 23.Rb1 {+0.06/12 45}
>>Bd4+
>>{+0.07/9 26} 24.Kg2 {+0.03/12 31} Qa2 {-0.26/10 66} 25.Qe4 {+0.21/12 30} Rb8
>>{-0.33/11
>>42} 26.Rfe1 {+0.46/12 53} g6 {-0.26/10 148} 27.Re2 {+0.28/11 34} a5 {-0.34/9 18}
>>28.g4 {+0.37/11 57} a4 {-0.34/9 12} 29.g5 {+0.37/11 41} Qb3 {-0.23/9 18} 30.Rbe1
>>{+0.43/11 37} Qa2 {-0.01/9 12} 31.b4 {+0.40/12 44} Qxa3 {+0.10/10 8} 32.Qh4
>>{+0.71/12 49}
>>Rf8 {-0.38/10 19} 33.bxc5 {0.00/13 56} Qxc5 {-0.38/10 12} 34.Rh1 {+0.09/11 32}
>>Ra8
>>{-0.16/9 15} 35.Qxh7+ {+0.18/10 37} Kf8 36.Qh6+ {+0.09/10 19} Bg7 {+0.27/11 7}
>>37.Qh4
>>{0.00/12 29} a3 {+0.13/10 10} 38.Rhe1 {0.00/11 21} a2 {+0.02/10 21} 39.Qa4
>>{+0.15/13 35}
>>Qxg5+ {+0.03/10 21} 40.Kh3 {+0.15/13 35} Qf5+ {+0.04/10 26} 41.Kg2 {+0.12/13 19}
>>Qc8
>>{+0.03/10 18} 42.R2e8+ {+0.09/12 15} Qxe8 43.Rxe8+ {+0.09/13 23} Rxe8 44.Qxa2
>>{+0.09/13
>>52} Be5 {+0.02/9 20} 45.Qa3+ {+0.09/12 18} Kg7 {+0.02/11 24} 46.f4 {+0.09/14 38}
>>Bf6 {+0.05/10 24} 47.Qd3 {+0.09/12 12} Rd8 {+0.03/9 12} 48.Qb5 {+0.21/13 19} Rd6
>>{+0.03/9 14} 49.Kf3 {+0.18/13 23} Rd2 {0.00/10 59} 50.Qa5 {+0.43/3 29} Rd3+
>>{+0.02/9 61}
>>51.Ke4 {+0.25/5 17} Rd6 {+0.02/9 10} 52.Qc7 {+0.21/5 20} Re6+ {+0.07/9 7} 53.Kd5
>>{+0.21/7 18} Be7 {+0.47/10 17} 54.Qc3+ {+0.06/5 23} Rf6 {+0.61/10 8} 55.Qe3
>>{0.00/5 9}
>>Bb4 {+0.51/9 8} 56.Qf3 {+0.37/3 15} Bd2 {+1.38/10 71} 57.Qd3 {-0.85/4 21} Bxf4
>>{+1.48/10 13} 58.Ke4 {-0.72/5 7} g5 {+1.45/10 13} 59.Kf3 {-0.63/5 14} Rd6
>>{+1.40/9 18}
>>60.Qb5 {-0.79/6 13} Re6 {+1.47/9 15} 61.Kg4 {-0.82/9 7} Re5 {+1.37/9 26} 62.Qd7
>>{-0.85/13 6} Re4 {+1.32/9 16} 63.Kf5 {-0.63/12 7} Re2 {+1.38/9 5} 64.Kg4
>>{-0.66/12 17}
>>Re5 {+1.32/9 12} 65.Kh5 {-0.63/12 8} Re4 {+1.24/9 8} 66.Qd5 {-0.63/13 16} Re7
>>{+1.25/9 8} 67.Qf5 {-0.63/12 8} Re2 {+1.31/9 11} 68.Qc5 {-0.54/12 10} Rh2+
>>{+1.28/8 5}
>>69.Kg4 {-0.60/2} Rg2+ {+1.27/9 12} 70.Kh5 {-0.63/13 5} Rd2 {+1.24/9 10} 71.Qb6
>>{-0.63/11 6} Rh2+ {+1.25/8 5} 72.Kg4 {-0.60/2} Re2 {+1.24/8 4} 73.Kh5 {-0.63/11
>>4} Re7
>>{+1.20/9 18} 74.Qh6+ {-0.60/13 8} Kg8 75.Qf6 {-0.60/14 7} Rd7 {+1.20/9 8} 76.Kg4
>>{-0.57/13 5} Rd6 {+1.18/9 12} 77.Qc3 {-0.57/13 5} Rd1 {+1.15/9 54} 78.Qb3
>>{0.00/12 15}
>>Rg1+ {+1.19/9 10} 79.Kf5 {-0.54/12 4} Re1 {+1.15/9 7} 80.Qb2 {-0.50/12 7} Re5+
>>{+1.15/9 13} 81.Kf6 {-0.57/13 6} Re8 {+1.18/10 11} 82.Kf5 {-0.50/13 4} Re7
>>{+1.14/9 10}
>>83.Qc3 {-0.54/12 3} Re5+ {+1.15/9 6} 84.Kf6 {-0.41/13 6} Re8 {+1.13/9 4} 85.Kf5
>>{-0.50/13 4} Re2 {+1.13/9 7} 86.Qf6 {-0.54/11 2} Re5+ {+1.15/9 11} 87.Kg4
>>{-0.54/13 3}
>>Rd5 {+1.15/8 3} 88.Qc6 {-0.50/12 3} Rd1 {+1.07/8 6} 89.Kf5 {-0.50/12 5} Re1
>>{+1.13/8 4} 90.Qf6 {-0.50/12 3} Re6 {+1.07/9 7} 91.Qd4 {-0.44/12 4} Re5+
>>{+1.12/9 10}
>>92.Kf6 {-0.41/13 5} Re8 {+1.09/10 2} 93.Kf5 {-0.41/12 3} Re6 {+1.02/9 6} 94.Qc3
>>{-0.54/12 2} Re3 {+1.05/8 4} 95.Qd4 {0.00/15 2} Kh7 {0.00/10 3} 96.Qf6 {0.00/14
>>3} Re5+
>>{0.00/11 4} 97.Kg4 {0.00/15 2} Kg8 {0.00/12 6} 98.Qd8+ {0.00/16 2} Kg7 {0.00/13
>>3}
>>99.Qd7 {0.00/20 2} Kg6 {+1.41/8 3} 100.Qc6+ {-0.94/12 2} f6 {+1.30/9 9} 101.Qd6
>>{-0.88/12 2} Be3 {+1.46/8 4} 102.Qc6 {-0.91/11 2} Bd4 {+1.59/8 2} 103.Kh3
>>{-1.13/11 3}
>>Ba7 {+1.49/7 4} 104.Qc2+ {-0.69/10 1} Kh6 {+0.71/8 3} 105.Qc6 {0.00/11 2} Re3+
>>{0.00/9 3} 106.Kg4 {0.00/13 1} Bd4 {0.00/10 3} 107.Qh1+ {0.00/13 1} Kg7 {0.00/9
>>2}
>>108.Qb7+ {0.00/13 2} Kg6 {0.00/9 2} 109.Qd5 {0.00/13 2} Be5 {0.00/11 4} 110.Qg8+
>>{0.00/13 1} Kh6 111.Qh8+ {0.00/14 1} Kg6 112.Qg8+ {0.00/15 2} Kh6 113.Qh8+
>>{0.00/14 1}
>>Kg6 114.Qg8+ {0.00/15 1} {3-fold repetition} 1/2-1/2
>
>looking at the game it seems that movei was outsearched in time trouble
>
>103...Ba7 is drawing but movei thanks to the fact that it does not use hash for
>pruning and extends checks too much cannot see it and can get only depth 7 in 4
>seconds when gothmog gets depth 10 easily in 1 second.
>
>I can add that something is clearly wrong with the depth in your games and I am
>not talking about Movei.
>
>For example:
>50.Qa5 {+0.43/3 29}
>56.Qf3 {+0.37/3 15}
>57.Qd3 {-0.85/4 21}
>
>It is impossible that Gothmog needs 29 seconds to get depth 3.
>
>I suspect that gothmog could win the game if it could get a reasonable depth.
>
>I consider to tell future movei simply to exit the game if it does not get some
>minimal number of nodes per second when the user can decide about the minimal
>number.
>
>Uri
Those games were played by the computer alone, I never told movei to search only
to X amount of depth. Sorry Uri, but these group of programs are all very close
to Movei strength and the final result pointed out to that direction.
Jorge
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