Author: José Carlos
Date: 08:27:04 08/12/04
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On August 12, 2004 at 11:11:28, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On August 12, 2004 at 10:01:27, José Carlos wrote: > >>On August 12, 2004 at 07:28:54, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>On August 12, 2004 at 06:22:50, José Carlos wrote: >>> >>>>On August 12, 2004 at 00:32:29, Albert Silver wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Last comment: >>>>>>>Try ProDeo without the UCI adapter, it works better ... believe me! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Best >>>>>>>Frank >>>>>> >>>>>> Great suggestion, Frank. As I'm so stupid, I never considered running a >>>>>>winboard engine loaded as a winboard engine. How could I forget that? >>>>>> Answer: it was the first I tried. It crashed. I didn't call uncle Frank >>>>>>crying, I just tried the UCI version. It worked. Good enough for me, I don't >>>>>>need anything else. >>>>>> >>>>>> José C. >>>>> >>>>>I'm a bit confused myself. I have experienced no problems with the UCI adapter >>>>>of Pro Deo in Arena, so perhaps there's something strange. I never even bothered >>>>>to load it as a Winboard engine, since the directions given were to run it as a >>>>>UCI engine. I ran a full Nunn match without any problems, and have absolutely no >>>>>problems running the engine to analyze positions. How long am I supposed to run >>>>>it before problems appear? What kind of problems BTW? >>>>> >>>>> Albert >>>> >>>> I was only being a bit sarcastic. I tried winboard version and it crashed. >>>>Then I tried UCI (with the adapter) and it worked. Is has worked fine for me >>>>since then, without problem. Maybe Frank can illuminate us with "the >>>>catastrophic problems of using the adapter". >>>> >>>> José C. >>> >>>Hi José, >>> >>>catastrophic problem :-) >>>A good sentence ... >>> >>>It's not the adapter I have a problem! >>>It's the situation that users are thinking Arena needs Adapter or Converter and >>>this is wrong. >> >> >> If this is all the problem, great, it's very easy to solve. Just tell them >>they don't *need* an adapter, but that they can use it if they want. :) >> >> >>>Example: >>>http://f27.parsimony.net/forum67213/messages/2108.htm >>>Not a German message :-) >>> >>>All engines are playing without adapters / converters and works fine! >>>Maybe this one explain my messages! >> >> >> A rating list, fine. But in the reply, I see you have problems with Gromit, >>MAD, and Arasan. They work perfectly here. Maybe you don't know well how to >>configure them? ;) >> >> >>>Arena don't need an adapter, for Rebel or ProDeo too. >> >> >> In my computer, it does. Believe it or not, that's up to you. >> >> >>>The once reason for an adapter I see is that the users get a little bit more >>>information from the engine. But here it's more easy as to develops an adapter >>>to create a new WB protocol. >> >> >> If you want to "monopolize" the adapters and protocols world, you can simply >>implement more things in Arena. For example, implement an "internal adapter" so >>that all winboard engines are, from the point of view of the user, working in >>UCI mode, and thus can be configured with a right click. >> >> >>>In my opinion it's more easy to go direct the way to the end. >>>Not to go drive over Paris if I have interest to drive from Trier to the next >>>town Schweich. Here are intellegant programmers, think so, and it must be not a >>>big problem to build a group for make the WinBoard protocol better. >> >> >> See me other reply to you (in the other post). >> I'll only add that going to Paris in your example might be a great idea. Paris >>is a wonderful city. >> >> >>>Often I have the feeling the group is only builded if new things comes (example >>>Stefan's idea with UCI and the discuss I read here). Only anti UCI discuss but >>>not one discuss to solved the problems with WB. If users don't find all the nice >>>information in WB compare the UCI we have all possibilitys to changed that. >>> >>>Best >>>Frank >> >> >> Propose your ideas, please. I'll be happy to listen. But *propose*, don't try >>to force or convince, just propose. >> >> José C. > >Hi Jose, > >the engines you speak about works also fine under Arena. >We have for an example CCC and much other chess fora. > >Arasan don't work prefectly, under WB too. >The program have problems with loosed on time games in ponder mode. I believe >you played games without ponder? In this case the problem have no problems. >Gromit have problems with move before the time control ended. Gromit played in >blitz tempo and loosed much games. Francesca have a bad WB support and played >much better with more hash-tables. Experiments I made with Francesca for years, >on my older webpage I have added more as 1.000 games with a lot of examples. I have two computers. In the dual, I play with ponder on. Arasan works fine here. Gromit and Francesca MAD also work fine here but: Arena has a bug with time controls of x moves in y minutes, so I choose to use time controls with increments, which work fine. The bug is this: supose we choose 40 moves in 30 minutes and 30 minutes for the rest. Program A makes its move 40, with 3 seconds left on the clock. Program B also moves and A starts to think its 41 move. After 3 seconds, Arena says white has lost on time! It forgets to update the clocks, and only do it _after_ move 41. I've seen this myself after watching many different engines (not only Averno) losing on time. I don't complain, Arena is freeware, it's a gift. I switch to a different time control and I'm happy. José C. >Chess fora system are interesting for discuss around computer chess. Everyone >can add an opinion with a good explanation. If I add in the past an opinion I >try to give an explanation for my opinion. > >I have the opinion that a group of persons can work also in the futures of >protocols. This is a main topic for the develops for the future. I am not sure >if you understand my point of view. > >Stefan Meyer Kahlen try to solved much of the UCI problems and have in the >opinion by Martin Blume success with UCI II. I am not a programmer and I see my >part in other topics to give a comment to the opinion by Martin. > >But this is a nice example to do it. Many other programmers have written a lot >about the protocols in the past. In the case of WB I can't see more as good >comments. > >Schweich and Trier are wonderful town too. Of course Paris is wonderful ... Here >we have the same opinion :-) > >Have a nice day! > >Best >Frank
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