Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 09:31:12 08/12/04
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On August 12, 2004 at 09:51:42, José Carlos wrote:
>On August 12, 2004 at 07:10:46, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>
>>On August 11, 2004 at 19:06:06, José Carlos wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>>I understand it exactly as before: you have a problem and disturb Ed to fix
>>>your problem. If _you_ decide to create a web page and a support forum for
>>>Arena, fix your own problems, Frank. Pro Deo, as Averno or Crafty or Cilian, is
>>>freeware. If you're ready to interface with freeware, you must be ready for it
>>>not to work as you expect. Freeware has no warranty, it might work or it might
>>>crash every 5 minutes. Learn to live with that.
>>
>>This is right.
>>But don't forget ... the most are thinking that Freeware is not good and it's a
>>hard work to give the users the information ... Freeware can be better. A good
>>example is Linux. I am sure that the Linux system are more interesting as the
>>Windows OS.
>
>
> And of course, what you think is what all people must accept.
> Well, let me remaind you that you can only speak in your name, not in the name
>of the rest of the world. I know you have a problem understanding this, but it's
>called *freedom*.
Do you have really this opinion?
I can write what I think about adapters and the other topics. This is completly
a different to this what I write. If I help to develop a program I try to think
from the point of view from the others.
In my private opinion we need only WinBoard, no other protocols but if you look
in the past you can see that I try to make a lot of for UCI.
>
>
>>The problem you spoke about it is for us a little problem.
>>Will give you some information ...
>>
>>01. Martin Blume programmed alone on Arena in his free time. He try to make the
>>best and Martin have the same opinion as yourself, I believe each other
>>programmer. But this have not to do with ... we can try to make it better.
>
>
> So you're saying Martin has the same opinion as me and you still try to
>overule him? That says all...
I don't know all opinion to all the different topics. In the most cases I am
thinking that we have the same opinion. I speak about only one point of view you
are speaking about it. You try to swichted my word in different sentence, why?
What is the reason for you to try it. Perhaps you have interest to explain it?
This discuss with you is for me not easy because you search in each sentence a
critical point. Perhaps you are maestro for it or the Spain persons like this
art of discuss. Explain it please?
>
>
>>Today Arena is on a very hight level. In much things no commercial software have such
>>possibilitys. Will not say that Arena is the best chess GUI because much other
>>options are not interesting for our team and I don't know that we can make it
>>better without to copy other things.
>
>
> Arena is great. Yes. I always congratulate Martin for it. I never get tired of
>congratulating him.
Wrong:
If you congratulate everyone you have to congratulate the team and not one
person you like. A lot of persons give the ideas and Martin try to programmed
the ideas. We like it, that the others can see ... this is the work in a team
becuase Martin Blume or others alone have never a chance to programmed such a
software. And this is a clearly advantage we have and with this advantage we
have all possiblitys to make more with only ... one programmer!
And very nice is the open concept. The others can look in our development area
(ASA) and can find a lot of ideas we listed. We are open all the times, for
helps, public ideas, open support and and and ...
The combination of all was the success for Frank's Chess Page and the others
webpages with the same ideas ... Arena ... and we hope that over animation much
other are following.
>
>>02. I have the ideas to collect groups for make good ideas better. If I have
>>success I have more fun with my hobby because the result of it is that what I
>>like. With other words ... I thinking on me too with that what I do.
>
>
> That's fair. You try to have fun with your hobby. That's great, Frank. I do
>the same. But you won't hear me disturbing others all the time to do what I want
>for helping me have fun. That's the problem you don't seem to address in your
>post. Please, try to think about what I'm saying here.
I am thinking about but why I have thinking about a successfull project with
this ideas. I say not bad things here, give me only one example for a bad
sentence in my postings. You can search a long time.
>
>
>>03. Own problems:
>>We have a lot ... a good FAQ is not on the page of us. I never find the time to
>>make it, have three little girls and give to much time in the latest years for
>>computer chess. Have a good job and need time. But we start the ASA selection
>>and collect all the messages by users. Martin sayed ... my god my problem must
>>be bad if I look in ASA. I say to Martin, not bad and believe me the others have
>>the same problems with mistakes but the mistakes are not open and not open
>>listed. Not easy to motivate us for our own work with open support but in my
>>opinion ... it's the best way!
>
>
> Fair again. Have your FAQ, and your children and your job and your ASA. And
>enjoy them all.
I like my live a lot!
I am sure I make good things in my job and private with my hobby. And for sure I
am happy with my family, wife, childrens ...
I wish me that more people around the world can write such things but everyone
must hold the own flag for all what the persons to in the live. We are speaking
about chess and I am sure that I try to make all what I can for make the hobby
more interesting. Today I have more fun as for 5-6 years with computer chess.
Today I have all this what I wish me for 5-6 years. So I am thinking ... Frank
you can do it and you can try it, you will have it ... please make it.
I know that different others have a bigger problems with it and used my work and
try to blame me since many years. Why not, if the persons have a good feeling
with this it's OK for me, because the others can good sleeping with such actions
and believe I can good sleeping.
>
>
>>>>The next problem I have are the adapters. Arena don't need the adapters because
>>>>Arena have a very good WB and UCI support. Arena users try the adapter, find
>>>>mistakes and write us a mail.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm starting to believe that your Arena users are not very smart. No intention
>>>to insult, but if they email you because Pro Deo crashes and they email you
>>>because the adapter doesn't work... well, maybe I should email you next time my
>>>car stops working.
>>> It's very easy if you don't want problems: in your web site, post a list of
>>>supported engines; don't list Pro Deo there; don't list any adapter either. Put
>>>a link to the list in the heading of your forum.
>>> Just one idea, but you can solve your problem in many other different ways.
>>
>>Thanks for your ideas!
>>But each engine which is not supported is a bad result by us.
>
>
> *** IMPORTANT POINT ***
> Don't blame others for what you decide is good or bad for your team. You get a
>gift, either with Pro Deo or Faile. You, and only you, can choose what to do
>with the gift. You can decide that writing a GUI that interfaces them both is
>your main goal. Right: do it! But don't blame the people who gives you the gift
>for not getting _your_ goals!
We gave a gift too Jose.
With more as 50.000 downloads in the latest months and more with 82.000
downloads this year. A lot of persons have fun with our work and I am sure the
persons have fun with others works too. But what you say here is not my topic.
We have a problem with an other free software because our right programming
software crashed in tourneys and users await an update from us. The programmer
of Rebel can solved the problem very easy and all the Arena users have more fun
with ProDeo and the problem is solved. This is more easy for all of us and this
have nothing to do with that what you wrote here.
>
>
>> Because we have
>>all possibilitys to make each engine compatible. So far the engine support is
>>great and each changes in the support sources are danger. So I try to give Ed
>>the information about our problems but I believe I found not the right words.
>>The situation with Ed and my is not easy, unfortunately.
>
>
> You know you have that "not finding the rigth words" problem very often in
>english, yes? Then, why not delegate that task? It is fair to send *1* email to
>Ed with something like: "Dear Ed, we in Arena team appreciate very much your
>free program and would like to inform you about some incompatibilities with our
>GUI. Our users would be really grateful if you could have a look at the
>following list: ...". I'm sure Ed's reaction would be very positive to this
>message.
I don't like mails. Mails are against my intention to make things in a group.
Animation and to build groups are more important as private mails. We have fora
and we have to learn to used this for user friendly. This is a big order for all
of us because we can see every day all the different opinions. The problem with
Ed is an other problem, not what you wrote here. You can read my latest answer
from today of the message of Ed. I have no problem to write this official
because I have no secretes.
>
>
>>>>What I have to answer in this case?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Arena doesn't support adapters".
>>>
>>>
>>>>Arena don't need a adapter is for the most not an await answer because the users
>>>>are thinking if the program need under other GUIs an adapter the engine must
>>>>used the adapter under Arena too :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> That's their problem. But from heart, I'm sure your users are more intelligent
>>>than all this you're saying.
>>
>>Yes, the most!
>>Do you make support for a software Jose!
>
>
> I've been doing for ages, Frank. Remember I'm a professional programmer. My
>family eats everyday because I write good software and give good support. I'm
>responsible for my work. I don't blame microsoft if my program crashes, because
>my clients wouldn't buy my software anymore. I just look for a workaround and
>make them happy, even if my code was correct and the compiler made something
>wierd.
GOOD!
Thanks for the private information.
I see that others give some private information too and I like it because I like
to make it for a better discuss feeling.
>
>
>>You have an own engine and I don't know how many support mails you are writing
>>daily.
>
>
> For Averno? Very few, yes. Fortunately (it means it works).
Have a long time not work with Averno. Will try the engine in the next times. At
the moment I download a lot of engines and must read the readme files, look in
the playing style etc., like that in my free time more as to see games 1.000
from Ruffian :-)
>
>
>>Example:
>>I make support for Millennium 2000 around one year. This was not easy but I try
>>to give for every questions a good help. The questions I got are in different
>>cases the result of ... I can't work with the program because I haven't the
>>knowledge about it. And the software are easy and good!
>
>
> So what? I don't know what point do you want to make with this example, sorry.
The answer of one of your comments.
Will say that you are thinking that the most have no problems with a software
today. This is right but if you have 10 persons which problems you have a lot of
work :-) In the work I made for different companays I see the main problem in
support on the site of the users. Not on the site of the developers.
In my opinion after all my work with support mails:
60% of alls support mails are nomally questions.
Easy to answer ...
15% are more or less ...
I don't understand the software (speaking not from Arena, speaking from
different things I made with support). For Arena maybe 20% because the persons
search options from others and don't find the options. A short time later the
same persons are writing ... great software, I like Arena and much more
possiblitys I like :-)
5% are persons which have nothing to do ...
20% are problems from others, which find the way to me. I can write a book about
it and much readers here know about what I write here. I have around 8.300
addresses in my address book and give much readers and members from CCC support
in the latest 6 years. Not all have interest to add a question directly in a
forum. I am sure that others companays have can write about the same.
My mail backup is 4.7 GB only Chess.
From yourself, let me look ... "xx" mails in Frank's Chess Page times. Topic
here your program Averno and the downloads on my older webpage. Thinking on it
if everyone send me "xx" mails in 6 years :-)
>
>
>>>>This have not to do with Rebel, max a little bit because I see that Ed have an
>>>>adapter configuration on his commercial Rebel CD-Rom. Ed is thinking on the
>>>>ChessBase users and add the adapter on the CD. This is OK but give me a good
>>>>explanation for people which asked us to the adapter storys.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Arena doesn't support adapters".
>>> "Pro Deo is not supported by Arena. Email Mr. Shroeder for issues about that
>>>program".
>>
>>Wrong:
>>If ProDeo a WB engine it is support by Arena because Arena have no problems with
>>WB engines. Each WB engine works fine under Arena and within ProDeo have to work
>>to. This is a different ...
>
>
> Sorry Frank, but this is stupid. You first complain that Pro Deo generates
>thousands of emails at you because it has problems under Arena.
I never speak about thounsands of eMails.
With more sentence from yourself it's more and more easy to answer :-)
You try to find bad things in my comments :-)
A never ending storry if we discuss a long time :-)
But I have time :-))
OK, again:
I saw a problem after my experience a long time before I write about it. On the
first times TheKing are available I gave a explanation on Arena webpages. I look
in WB Forum, a persons wrote about it, and try to explain. Today we have around
2.000 questions in German fora every month about the same problem. The problem
with ProDeo is compare to it and I see that the topic are unclear. Look in the
fora we have you can see what I mean. A lot of discuss about configurations and
this in combination with the mails I got ... I am thinking ... stop it to the
right time.
Then I suggest
>you to label it as "not compatible" until the author fixes the problem. Now you
>say it works perfectly because it's a wb engine. Make up your mind, Frank:
>Freeware is a gift, and it comes "as is". Take it or throw it out, but stop
>complaining... this is annoying.
I know that freeware is a gift Jose.
You have not to explain what freeware is ...
Believe me I know it after all the work I do for freeware.
my mail backup ... i need now the second DVD for my backup.
To give helps for free is also a gift, not only the program which is free!
>
>>Not interesting what the programmer have written.
>
>
> *** IMPORTANT POINT ***
> You can't listen, you want everybody to do what you want. You must learn to
>live with other people opinions and insterests. And accept that what you want,
>is not always compatible with what others want.
You means I have to learned it :-))
You speak with the wrong persons Jose.
I don't know an other persons which try to make so many things for computer
chess in the latest year. Every day again and again, so many hours and you will
explain me such things. You are on the false address. Maybe I can explain and
you have to learn, really! It seems you are very young or I don't have an
explanation about that what you wrote here.
The way I go can't be wrong all the time.
We can speak about it if you can say to me the following:
Frank, I know a person which have more hits on webpages in the latest six year
as yourself in computer chess area.
Again:
This is a work in the group and not my work alone.
Animation, group building and a good idea have a chance.
If you will not understand it you have to learn a lot Jose!
With other words:
I accept your opinion but to explain me what freeware is?
You write on the false address!
> If you're not interested in what the programmers says... what can I say,
>Frank. *I'm interested*. In fact, I'm only interested, in this case, in what Ed
>and Martin say. Not in your opinions, they're not relevant at all for this
>matter (they are for other things, of course, no offense intended).
Martin and others have an other opinion about it. We are a team and our work is
good. You can pick your favorits persons from a group, no problem but thinking
about what you wrote here. The results Arena is not a result from Martin alone.
I work since 2 years daily 3-5 hours on the project. Others persons works hard
on the projcet too.
>
>
>>Enough is ... ProDeo is a WB compatible engine!
>
>
> That ("WB compatible engine") is just a label, like "fast searcher" or "good
>tactician". There're millions of details behind the labels and you are not
>capable to make conclusions against the author of the program. Only he know what
>degree of compatibility he has implemented and why.
We are speaking not about the playing style of ProDeo.
I speak with you about the problem we have.
If you like to switched the topic we can discuss in an other thread.
I say to the author:
Ed, we have a problem with ProDeo ...
I give an explanation about the problem and you try to start a discuss about 100
different things around computer chess with me.
>
>
>>And we are very proud of this result!
>
>
> Again, that's your decision. You can't force other people to do things that
>make you proud.
Again:
I don't force others.
I say, our team have a good WB / UCI support and we have a problem with ProDeo
and this is not to solved from the programmer of Arena. Not more not less ...
Maybe you don't know why we have computer chess fora:
Not only for critical discuss Jose or for different opinions!
We can make more with a good forum system. We can switched important information
to make different things better for all of us.
Perpaps in your opinion I am wrong again?
>
>
>>>>Example:
>>>>Look in Arena Event Forum ...
>>>>
>>>>Michael Jesdinsky:
>>>>http://f27.parsimony.net/forum67213/messages/2301.htm
>>>>And much other of the messages about it!
>>>
>>>
>>> Good idea to link to a post in german. I love to read languajes I don't know.
>>
>>Oh, I am not thinking about it, sorry!
>>
>>>>Jose, please believe me ...
>>>
>>>
>>> I only believe in facts, Frank. Religion and such is not for me.
>>>
>>>
>>>>The best way is to work hand in hand and to make the engines compatible to each
>>>>other GUIs.
>>>
>>>
>>> "The best way" to what? To the best for computer chess fans? Let them speak
>>>for themselves. I prefer to receive 200 emails about Averno not working on this
>>>or that GUI than to read your "summary" for all of them. They are old enough to
>>>make their own claims.
>>
>>You know what we have today!
>>This is a work in the group and it was a lot of work to have this status today.
>>Users and programmers have speak for themselves and supported the good ideas
>>with compatiblitys. In my opinion a problem today can be solved fast because we
>>don't have bigger compatibility problems today. This problems we have in the
>>past, not today.
>
>
> Your opinions, ok? Well, let me have *my* opinions and *Ed* have his opinions
>and everybody have their own opinions.
Here we have the same opinion :-)
But if I work only after my opinion my own work are bad and my webpages visit
only an hand full persons.
01. More important as the own opinion are the opinions in a group of persons.
Find out right or not right, the own opinion must not right.
02. After this it's better to build a new opinion.
I have learned in my live to see a situation:
01. What are the other person thinking!
02. I try to understand the other opinion!
03. I am thinking about it ...
04. I inform about the opinions by the others
05. And not I compare it with the own opinion!
In your case and in this situation for me not each time possible.
I see that you try to find or better you are searching comments by myself for
your main opinion! Not easy for me because, your opinion about my persons seems
to be bad and to try to find a good way in a discuss is in the most cases not
possible.
No I have written my opinion!
Bad this is not important for me:
Important for me is the person Jose Carlos. I try to understand him and sitting
on my PC for comment his message. I try to find a way with Carlos.
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You know that this is at the moment not possible because every GUI
>>>>programmer have other ideas. But for users its a little chaos, perhaps not for
>>>>you but for much others.
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, speak for yourself. You're not "the choosen one". People can ask.
>>>They'll be listened, don't doubt it.
>>
>>In this case I can't speak for myself. I have other interest Jose. I try to
>>solved problems and my intention is to solved problems!
>>
>>With other word:
>>If I am a user only I have for sure such an opinion you have written. On
>>different days I wish me that I can thinking you have written.
>
>
> Again... if you decide to make yourself the "trouble solver", that's great!
>Solve the problems and shut up!
What is shut up?
I don't know this word!
Help me to understand English better maybe I have to learnd much words?
Look, this is my art to answer of such a bad word.
I am wrong with it?
>You want to solve problems... or do you want
>*others* to solve problems? Let the others then decide whether they want to
>solve problems or not. Be coherent with your own decision. *You*, solve the
>problems if you want. Is this so difficult to understand?
The others are important for me Carlos.
everyone which have a good idea is important for me because everyone give the
group a new animation. You with Averno a long time, Ed with all the work around
computer chess and a lot of others. I never say to this group of persons "shut
up".
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>And the problems comes to a good support which try to solved such problems.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you decide to give such support, do it. That's all. Explain them why this
>>>or that engine has this or that problem. If you don't want to do the latter,
>>>nobody forces you to "give support".
>>
>>This is right!
>>A good support give animations for others!
>>Animation is the main and for me most important reason to make such a work. An
>>users which config ProDeo under Arena, have problems for the first time, solved
>>the problems for the second time have more interest to used the software and
>>thinking ... WOW ... what can do for the group!
>>
>>The groups are building here, in other fora around computer chess. This is not
>>important but the users work in the group. How many examples you need for
>>understand what I say! I can give you arount 100 for the moment I have in my
>>brain.
>
>
> Maybe you need a million examples to make me understand it, because I see it
>as nonsense. You want to make groups? Great, do it! What the fuck does that have
>to do with bothering others to do what you want? Make your groups, chat, solve
>your problems... and let the rest of the world live in peace.
I answer of your attacks now!
But it seems that I have written enough!
In German we say:
Wait I asked my Spain neighbor ...
Oh the Spain persons say the same :-)
Carlos, if you don't like my person why you search such a discuss with me?
The question I asked people which don't like my name!
Perhaps you can give me an answer?
>
>>>>So I give me the question:
>>>>Why we make such a work to make all compatible if different users will used an
>>>>adapter! And all this for a perfect working GUI which don't need such adapters.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why does that bother you? Let people do what they want. They're free, aren't
>>>they?
>>>
>>>
>>>>I can give you the answer :-)
>>>>The persons like UCI and like it to get more information by the engine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Speaking in the name of the poor people that can't do theirselves again?
>>>
>>>
>>>>We can solved the problem with a WB protocol III.
>>>
>>>
>>> We? You mean Martin Blume and you or what? Don't count on me to change my
>>>interface. Or maybe yes. Maybe I'll change it. It depends on my feelings if a
>>>new protocol is proposed, but not definetly because you think it solves an
>>>inexistent problem.
>>
>>Martin Blume can solved it, yes!
>>But Martin have not interest to make it because this must be organice by a group
>>of programmers and of course Tim. Tim have more or less interest to give u the
>>development and to search a person which work on his project. You can read it in
>>much comments of Tim. We have to look in the future Jose or we are playing with
>>WB in the next 1000 years.
>
>
> Yes, I'm very much worried about what will be mu hobby in 1000 years from now.
>Come on! Improving the protocol is nice, sure, but taking it as "our future
>depends on it" makes me laugh.
Seems that you don't understand what we have today.
Compatibilitys bring the persons in one group!
Now an animation have more success!
The most discuss we find today in chess fora about computer chess have to do
with the protocols.
Example:
User b like it to organice an engine tournament with Averno.
the user collect different other engine and we discuss about the results.
01. After your opinion this have nothing to do with protocols.
02. After my opinion are the reason for such a discuss the protocols.
We have never such a discuss if each programmer work on his own protocols. Only
10-15% of the persons buyed two PC for engine-engine matches and much of us find
the way to computer chess with all the solved compatibility problems.
>
>
>>OK, WB is enough for the most hard fans but not in
>>combination with all interest I can see.
>
>
> If you want to improve something, just do it. You'll be very welcome. But
>don't want to do the work, you want others to do it for you.
Right!
To work alone is boring for me!
>>>
>>>>Now you know the reason for my
>>>>messages here. Not more not less ... because I like it to have an result if I
>>>>make me the work and give such comments.
>>>
>>>
>>> Wellcome to the freeware world. This software is provided "as is", without any
>>>warranty whatsoever. Use it if you want, and throw it to the trash bin if you
>>>don't want it.
>>
>>The advantage we have!
>>But not an advantage to stop a good work with this comment in the brain.
>
>
> Live with it. Freeware is a gift. Take it or ignore it, but it's very ugly to
>receive a gift and say "improve it or it's worthless for me".
Yes, we have many fun to see that so many persons have fun on our Freeware
Arena. Believe I know what freeware it ... again!
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Not again yourself, not again Ed or others ...
>>>>The problem are the converter / adapters for GUIs which don't need it.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a problem only in your imagination, or what do you think of this: I have
>>>a computer with Red Hat Linux installed and I open a VMWare virtual machine with
>>>windows 2000 running in where I use a program I wrote that calls Arena and sends
>>>some windows messages to press buttons and select menu items and chooses the
>>>engines to play a match, and those engines use an adapter to change from
>>>winboard to uci and from uci to winboard seven times before they connect to
>>>Arena!!!
>>> Terrible problem? You gonna suicide? No, not at all. I can do whatever
>>>stupidity I want in my computer. That's it.
>>
>>I understand but know we have spoken about two opinions.
>>Your opinion, my opinion and I know thousands of other opinions.
>
>
> The difference is that I keep my opinion for me. I don't try desperately to
>make all people around to use adapters or virtual machines.
>
>
>>Fact is that Arena is Freeware too and we must not make such a work around the
>>project.
>
>
> ?????????????????????
> I can't believe what I read.
> Repeat it, please.
That Arena is Freeware too?
We must not make such a work around Arena but we make it for free. We have fun
on it and we have interest to help that the hobby for all of us is a little bit
more interesting. This is one part for the group, you gave a part with your
program too. Nice Jose, we have perhaps the same opinion and have not a reason
to search other things in our words.
Right?
>
>
>>We have fun to do it if we can see that we come to the end of our
>>interest, build by Martin, me and users which gave / give helps.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Last comment:
>>>>Try ProDeo without the UCI adapter, it works better ... believe me!
>>>>
>>>>Best
>>>>Frank
>>>
>>> Great suggestion, Frank. As I'm so stupid, I never considered running a
>>>winboard engine loaded as a winboard engine. How could I forget that?
>>> Answer: it was the first I tried. It crashed. I didn't call uncle Frank
>>>crying, I just tried the UCI version. It worked. Good enough for me, I don't
>>>need anything else.
>>>
>>> José C.
>>
>>
>>Crashed not on my PC Jose!
>>I have config more as 70 WB engines and no engine crashed.
>
>
> Congratulations! You're the greatest!
The typical comment after all what I read from yourself!
> Now tell me, why do you think the program crashed in my PC?
>
> 1. Because I'm too stupid to configure it
Everyone which have a support problem thinking about it.
But only a hand full persons say ... oh, I made a mistake!
> 2. Because windows XP has some kind of problem with the way Arena interfaces
>with Pro Deo?
Don't think so!
> 3. Because my dual athlon has some problem?
Dual Athlon!
I don't like this hardware.
Must repair must server problems with dual Athlon system in the latest months.
Of course we have running systems with Athlons.
> 4. Because Arena has a bug?
And the others engines works fine?
But it's possible. Chances 2 to 98
> 5. Because Pro Deo has a bug?
98 to 2 after my experience with the actual Arena version.
Give me from the 240 programs 2% WB engines which have a problem under Arena.
My comment are normally not good but in fact the software Arena is strong and
have no bigger problems with UCI and WB engines.
> 6. I don't care at all as long as it works like a charm with the UCI trick?
>
> I choose 6. What number do you choose?
>
> José C.
Best
Frank
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