Author: martin fierz
Date: 01:38:01 08/13/04
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On August 12, 2004 at 16:19:48, Eugene Nalimov wrote: >Sorry, I just thought people here would be interested, so posting news here: >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >http://communities2.microsoft.com/home/chatroom.aspx?siteid=34000014 > >Online Chat: Visual C++ 2005 Beta > >Join the Visual C++ team to discuss your questions and comments on the Beta >release of Visual C++ 2005. Whether you are a first-time user of the Visual >C++ Express Edition Beta (http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/visualc) or >an experienced developer exploring the full Visual Studio 2005 suite, we >want to answer your questions to provide you with a smooth development >experience. hi eugene, i have one comment and one question, but the question probably rather goes to your marketing department :-( the comment is that i downloaded VC++ 2005 express beta, and tried compiling my checkers program with it. it didn't work, and i had to download the platform SDK to be able to do #include <windows.h>. it still didn't work. i had to manually add libraries to the linker like user32.lib, because for some reason VC++ 2005 beta didn't realize it had to link this too. once i had done this, everything worked fine. the program runs about 3% faster than when compiled with visual studio.net (2001), which is nice. now i know there is no such thing as a free lunch, and i understand that there is a rationale to not bundle everything with VC++ beta (shorter download), but: if i understand the philosophy behind the "express" editions they are aimed exactly at persons like me: non professional programmers who would like to be productive fast, and get a good product for a reasonable price. for people like me it's important that we don't have to go fiddling with all kinds of settings - i want a product that i take out of the box and that "just works". i guess you know what i mean: if i have to figure out settings and fiddle around, i couls also take linux... whether i have to download 100 or 200 MB is unimportant - only people with cable modems will download 100MB, and they won't be bothered if they have to download 200MB! the question to the marketing department is: why can't you sell the fully optimizing compiler (with PGO support) with VC++ express? i have ZERO use for visual basic, C# and all the other stuff you bundle with the full visual studio.net. i don't want to have to pay $$$ for stuff i don't need. i wouldn't mind paying a bit more to get the advanced compiler. of course, the express edition is quite an improvement over the old "visual C++ standard" edition, whose compiler didn't optimize at all... but still - i'll dream a bit until the final thing is released! as a PS to this: 3% speedup is nice of course, but not a reason to switch from my old visual studio. cheers martin
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