Author: stuart taylor
Date: 15:04:53 08/17/04
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On August 17, 2004 at 00:06:35, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>On August 16, 2004 at 21:50:32, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On August 16, 2004 at 21:24:32, Ed Trice wrote:
>>
>>>Tom and I finished playing out our Double Muzio line from the King's Gambit.
>>>Black did complete the win, but there is some fight in this line for White, even
>>>when mortally wounded.
>>>
>>>1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5 Qxe5
>>>
>>>At this point, does the Double Muzio work? Is there a prefered line other than
>>>7. e5 that is more stable?
>>>
>>>8. Bxf7+
>>>
>>>The sac identifying this as the Double Muzio.
>>>
>>>8...Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+
>>>
>>>I have heard that Black does not have to accept this pawn. What I have not heard
>>>is what the continuation is if it is declined.
>>
>>CM_SKR's second best move is 9...Qf5 10.g6 Qg6 11.Qxf4 Nf6 12.g5, and the eval
>>is about 0.7 worse than 9...Qxd4+.
>>
>>>10. Be3
>>>
>>>Leading to an interesting (and dangerous) position.
>>>
>>>[D]rnb2bnr/pppp1k1p/8/8/3q1p2/4BQ2/PPP3PP/RN3RK1 b - -
>>>
>>>Some opening books have mentioned 10...Qf6 but I think this line loses! Is it
>>>now considered a loss?
>>>
>>>===
>>>
>>>{one online resource shows 10...Qf6? 11. Nc3! Bh6? 12. Nd5 Qe5 13. Bxf4 Bxf4
>>>14. Nxf4 Nf6 15. Nd5 Nc6 16. Rae1 Qd4+ 17. Kh1 Kg7 18. Nxf6 1-0.
>>>
>>>There is much better play for Black.
>>>
>>>11...Qf5 12.Qxf4 Qxf4 13.Rxf4+ Nf6 14.Nd5 Be7 15.Bd4 c5 16.Bxf6 Bxf6 17.Rxf6+
>>>Kg7 18.Raf1 Nc6 19.Rf7+
>>>
>>>11...Bg7 12.Nd5 Qf5 13.Qxf4 Qxf4 14.Rxf4+ Nf6 15.Nxc7 Re8 16.Bd4 Re2 17.Nxa8
>>>d518.Raf1
>>>
>>>11...d6 12.Nd5 Qf5 13.Nxc7 Nf6 14.Bxf4 Qxc2 15.Nxa8 Qxb2 16.Nc7}
>>>
>>>===
>>>
>>>10...Qg7 11. Qxf4+ Nf6 12. Bd4? Be7
>>>
>>>The compounded pin has aestethic appeal, but it wastes a needed tempo for white.
>>>I think 12. Nc3! is needed at this point, and perhaps it cannot come one move
>>>later!
>>
>>CM_SKR agrees that 12.Nc3 is best. With 12.Nc3, this is the first time that the
>>eval drops below -3.00 for Black.
>>
>>>13. Nc3 d6 14. Bxf6 Bxf6 15. Nd5 Rg8 16. Rf2 Nd7
>>
>>The King prefers 16.Qxf6+! Qxf6 17.Rxf6+ Kg7 18.Raf1 Nc6 19.Nxc7 Rb8 20.Rxd6
>>
>>>Most of the play is now forced.
>>>
>>>17. Nxc7 Qg4 18. Nxa8
>>>
>>>Trying to recoup some material and hoping for a Black miscue.
>>>
>>>18...Qxf4 19. Rxf4 Rg5
>>>
>>>Aiming to control the 5th rank and exhaust retreat squares for the knight after
>>>Nc7. As Martin Fierz noted, 19...Ke7 could be played here at once as well.
>>>
>>>20. b4 Ke7 21. Raf1 b5 22. Nc7 Bb7 23. Re1+ Be5 24.g3 a6 25.c4 Rg6 26.cxb5 Kd8
>>>27.Rxe5 dxe5 28.Rc4 axb5 29.Nxb5 Ba6 30. a4 Rb6 0-1
>>
>>The King prefers 27.bxa6! Bxf4 28.Ne6+ Rxe6 29.Rxe6 Bd5 30.a7 Nb6 31.Rf6, and
>>the eval is about 0.5 better for White than with 27.Rxe5. But Black probably has
>>a win in either case.
>>
>>>I am curious to what extent progams have portions of this game in their opening
>>>books? Is there strong play out there for White in this line?
>>
>>The Chessmaster default book will not play 2.f4, but it will play every other
>>move in the line up to 7...Qxe5 with a fairly high probability. CM will never
>>play any of the moves in the line after that, and also does not have any book
>>responses to them.
>>
>>jm
>
>The double sac in the Muzio is probably losing, although there still may be
>drawing resouces.
>
>I will say however, I've beaten a very strong master with this line many times
>in G/2 until he found good couterplay. The Muzio still has much to be explored
>in it, but it's a very dangerous and risky line, for both sides.
>
>Daniel
When I was younger, I loved the double muzio idea, and would have played it any
time, given the oppurtunity. It was one of the few bits of opening theory which
I felt armed me well!
I felt sure that regular opposition which I would encounter would deem it quite
safe for me to venture it.
S.Taylor
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