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Subject: Re: List is NOT a Crafty clone, ... etc

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 12:15:21 08/21/04

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On August 21, 2004 at 13:24:46, Mike Byrne wrote:

>On August 21, 2004 at 00:48:30, Matthias Gemuh wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>I am now convinced !
>>You'll find that in subthread of:
>>
>>[http://www.f11.parsimony.net/forum16635/messages/70321.htm]
>>
>>/Matthias.
>
>I never doubted for one second that List was NOT a clone - in my opinion, it was
>false accusation  by someone  who knew he was in exams and that it would be
>extremely inconvenient for him to defend himself without potentially causing
>serious detriment to his exam scores.

1)As far as I know
Fritz Reul did not try to defend himself later after the exams.

2)The accusation was against List4.60 and List5.04 and not against 4.61 that was
checked by the poster.

I also see no point in participating in a tournament like WCCC when you know
that you are in exams in the same time.

Maybe the best thing that Fritz Reul can do now is to release List's source code
so everybody can check if it is a clone or not a clone(otherwise people will
alway supect that there was some evidence that it was a clone).

There is a difference between a case when somebody claim that a program is a
clone with no proof and a case when a program is banned for 2 years because of
suspect.

I think that in a similiar situation to List if I have no other choice to
prevent banning Movei I will simply release the source code(Fritz did not need
even to do it and only sending the source code to Ernst Heinz could be enough
for him in case that he was not quilty).

Fritz Reul's behaviour is not the behaviour that I expect from a person who is
not quilty.

Amir Ban said that if there is going to be a similiar accusation against Junior
then he is going to ask what is the evidence(Fritz Reul did not do it).
If Fritz had no time to do it then in  his situation the best he could do is
simply to send the source code to Ernst Heinz.

Today the best that he can do is simply to release his source code.
I do not claim that list is a clone but I claim that I do not trust it not to be
a clone because of Fritz Reul's behaviour.

I do not trust an athlet not to use drugs when he refused to pass the drug test
for the same reason inspite of not having proof that he used drugs.

>
>The motive behind the  accusation was simply to get Reul's program removed from
>the tourament and it worked.

We do not know it.
I only know that it is impossible to get a program out of the tournament only by
claiming that it is a clone and you need to show some evidence.

>
>Interestingly , anyone can still download List from Chessbase's website - so it
>is obvious that Chessbase and Bob Hyatt do not believe List was a clone.

Nothing is obvious.
The fact that you can download List from chessbase does not prove that chessbase
do not believe that List is a clone.

Bob Hyatt has nothing to do with the decision of chessbase to release List so it
has nothing to do with what Bob believes.

Uri



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