Author: Matthew Hull
Date: 20:43:47 08/22/04
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On August 22, 2004 at 23:03:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 22, 2004 at 22:03:19, Stuart Cracraft wrote: > >>On August 22, 2004 at 11:29:35, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 22, 2004 at 11:09:19, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>> >>>>On August 22, 2004 at 10:45:35, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>Hi Bob, >>>> >>>>that's Bob Hyatt live. >>>> >>>>If I read your words it seems you are a little bit disappointed about different >>>>things in the past. But you have give the community a lot and you have no reason >>>>for it (my opinion if I am right). >>>> >>>>Have the same opinion about it what you have written! >>>> >>>>In the case of ELChinito: >>>>The "main" programmer Eugenio work a long time on "Eugen" and participant on >>>>different Spain-ch, French programmer tournament in Massy. He have good contacts >>>>to the group of French chess programmers and after all I know Eugenio is very >>>>popular in this group of programmers. Not to do that maybe or perhaps the >>>>programmer created a clone of Crafty. >>>> >>>>The chess program Eugen are a dos program and very very strong. I believe if >>>>ELChinito today have a playing level around 2.550 ELO the older DOS program is >>>>playing with around 2.350-2.400 ELO, perhaps a little bit more! >>>> >>>>For me it's an important topic now because I have no interest to add a clone >>>>from Crafty on my webpage. If you have any clear information for me that your >>>>sources are copyed by the ELChinito team I will delete the program, same for >>>>others programs! >>> >>>The important thing that you can learn from Bob's post is that Eugen Castillo >>>did something that is not allowed. >>> >>>The word clone may be technically wrong but >>>Bob claims that even if Elchinito is not a clone then it is clear that Elchinito >>>copied large chunks of Crafty and it is not allowed to do it(or in bob's words >>>not a permissable activity). >>> >>>Here are the relevant words of Bob again: >>> >>>"2. I didn't "break the story". I haven't even decided that this program is a >>>clone, although I will be the first to admit that the evidence presented at >>>least shows that the program copied large (if not all) chunks of Crafty, which >>>is still not a permissable activity." >>> >>>Uri >> >>And that is why my opinion continues to be that Crafty should be >>GPL'd by GNU and Bob could be freed up from the kind of policing he >>has to do. Or if not policing then the worry or ennui he may have >>as a result. >> >>GPL/GNU is the right way to go and I am not sure I understand why >>Bob doesn't, and everybody else does. >> >>Bob, care to answer that? What do you have against Crafty being GPL/GNU. >>The foundation attorney is happy to track things like this kind of nonsense >>down. It happens all the time. >> >>Stuart > >It won't stop this particular problem at all. How many programs started with >gnuchess which is GPL??? > >You can't legislate this problem away... Right. It may only deter someone from going commercial with their clone. We even see yoyos on ICC trying to pass off their copy of a commercial program as a private engine.
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