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Subject: Re: Bob: ELChinito a clone from Crafty ...

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 15:01:45 08/23/04

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On August 23, 2004 at 00:19:39, Lance Perkins wrote:

>I believe its because no one has really complained about the copying of GNU
>Chess. If Crafty were GLP and we get all these copying violations, I'm sure that
>the GNU organization will gladly go after the violators.

There is little they can do if someone doesn't try to sell the thing.  Very few
have tried that route...


>
>
>On August 22, 2004 at 23:03:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On August 22, 2004 at 22:03:19, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>>
>>>On August 22, 2004 at 11:29:35, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 22, 2004 at 11:09:19, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 22, 2004 at 10:45:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Bob,
>>>>>
>>>>>that's Bob Hyatt live.
>>>>>
>>>>>If I read your words it seems you are a little bit disappointed about different
>>>>>things in the past. But you have give the community a lot and you have no reason
>>>>>for it (my opinion if I am right).
>>>>>
>>>>>Have the same opinion about it what you have written!
>>>>>
>>>>>In the case of ELChinito:
>>>>>The "main" programmer Eugenio work a long time on "Eugen" and participant on
>>>>>different Spain-ch, French programmer tournament in Massy. He have good contacts
>>>>>to the group of French chess programmers and after all I know Eugenio is very
>>>>>popular in this group of programmers. Not to do that maybe or perhaps the
>>>>>programmer created a clone of Crafty.
>>>>>
>>>>>The chess program Eugen are a dos program and very very strong. I believe if
>>>>>ELChinito today have a playing level around 2.550 ELO the older DOS program is
>>>>>playing with around 2.350-2.400 ELO, perhaps a little bit more!
>>>>>
>>>>>For me it's an important topic now because I have no interest to add a clone
>>>>>from Crafty on my webpage. If you have any clear information for me that your
>>>>>sources are copyed by the ELChinito team I will delete the program, same for
>>>>>others programs!
>>>>
>>>>The important thing that you can learn from Bob's post is that Eugen Castillo
>>>>did something that is not allowed.
>>>>
>>>>The word clone may be technically wrong but
>>>>Bob claims that even if Elchinito is not a clone then it is clear that Elchinito
>>>>copied large chunks of Crafty and it is not allowed to do it(or in bob's words
>>>>not a permissable activity).
>>>>
>>>>Here are the relevant words of Bob again:
>>>>
>>>>"2.  I didn't "break the story".  I haven't even decided that this program is a
>>>>clone, although I will be the first to admit that the evidence presented at
>>>>least shows that the program copied large (if not all) chunks of Crafty, which
>>>>is still not a permissable activity."
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>And that is why my opinion continues to be that Crafty should be
>>>GPL'd by GNU and Bob could be freed up from the kind of policing he
>>>has to do. Or if not policing then the worry or ennui he may have
>>>as a result.
>>>
>>>GPL/GNU is the right way to go and I am not sure I understand why
>>>Bob doesn't, and everybody else does.
>>>
>>>Bob, care to answer that? What do you have against Crafty being GPL/GNU.
>>>The foundation attorney is happy to track things like this kind of nonsense
>>>down. It happens all the time.
>>>
>>>Stuart
>>
>>It won't stop this particular problem at all.  How many programs started with
>>gnuchess which is GPL???
>>
>>You can't legislate this problem away...



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