Author: Vincent Lejeune
Date: 02:43:49 08/24/04
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On August 23, 2004 at 23:49:45, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 23, 2004 at 19:23:02, Vincent Lejeune wrote: > >>On August 23, 2004 at 17:40:15, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On August 23, 2004 at 15:26:05, Vincent Lejeune wrote: >>> >>>>On August 23, 2004 at 14:33:03, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 23, 2004 at 13:46:34, Alessandro Scotti wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 23, 2004 at 13:17:50, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>OK, we are at Nxh3 Kxh3 Rh6+ Kg4 g6 Qe2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Crafty says draw here. as it has from the point Nxh3 was first played... >>>>>> >>>>>>Let me recap! >>>>>> >>>>>>We started from: >>>>>> >>>>>>6k1/1q3ppp/r7/1rp1P1n1/3p1P2/1P1R2PP/2Q4K/B4R2 b - f3 0 1 >>>>>> >>>>>>and after Nxh3 Kxh3 Rh6+ Kg4 g6 Qe2 Pro Deo says: Rb6 (f5 gxf5+ Rxf5 Qh1...) >>>>>>which it scores 1.65 (at depth 11 on my humble Athlon 700 MHz). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Ok. Continuing, Nxh3 Kxh3 Rh6+ Kg4 g6 Qe2 Rb6 f5 gxf5+ Rxf5 Qh1 >>>>> >>>>>I play Bxd4 >>>> >>>>Shredder 8 (2 best moves, AMD@3000+, after 10 min) >>>> >>>>[d]6k1/5p1p/1r5r/2p1PR2/3B2K1/1P1R2P1/4Q3/7q b - - 0 1 >>>> >>>>Analysis by Shredder 8: >>>> >>>>1. µ (-0.79): 7...cxd4 8.Rf4 Thg6 9.g4 Tb4 10.Rg3 Dg1+ 11.Rh3 Th6+ 12.Th5 Dh1+ >>>>13.Rg3 Txh5 14.gxh5 Dd5 15.Rf4 Txb3 >>>>2. ³ (-0.64): 7...Thg6+ 8.Rf4 cxd4 9.g4 Dc1+ 10.Rf3 Tb7 11.Tf4 Th6 12.Rg3 Dg1+ >>>>13.Dg2 De1+ 14.Df2 Dxe5 15.Dxd4 De1+ 16.Df2 >>> >>> >>>Either of those looked reasonable when I was analyzing this. Once I get my >>>class stuff ready for tonight's class, I'll try to do some analysis since ProDeo >>>apparently played cxd4 in response. I had looked at the rook check or Kf4 as >>>the two likely candidates if black took rather than checked me first.. >> >>But the point of this line is missed sooner , see >>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?383760 >>3...Rbb6 +3 and the game is over > > >Maybe. But then Pro Deo is the one that found the move and didn't play Rbb6. >So what to conclude there? +3 from Shredder is not always convincing. I have >seen +5 turn into draws many times playing on ICC. Sometimes it is way >optimistic also... Sorry, I haven't pro deo installed on my machine I analyzed a bit this line (3...Rbb6 4.f5 Rh1 5.Rdf3 h5+ 6.Kf4 Rxf1 7.Rxf1 Rxb3 8.Bxd4) and it's convincing, king is in a mating net.
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