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Subject: Re: An important message to CCC members....

Author: Stuart Cracraft

Date: 11:54:03 08/24/04

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Steve,

c is right.

Set a fee that doesn't scare off half the tribe and
take it from there. I'd make it high enough so that you
don't have to raise it for a long time.

Be sure to include a "lifetime membership" option as well.

Suggest:

 1) monthly
 2) yearly (should be less)
 3) lifetime (even less)

Stuart

On August 24, 2004 at 12:31:14, Steven Schwartz wrote:

>Dear CCC Members:
>
>I have just re-read this post, and I apologize for its ridiculous length, but I
>feel it necessary to tell the membership what is on my mind, and I welcome
>feedback. I understand it is not "on topic" and for that I apologize, but, I
>believe, it is very important to the CCC and CTF....
>
>
>When the Computer Chess Club began about 7 years ago, ICD was asked to host it,
>I think, because the Founders knew that we sold all the chess software and
>dedicated chess computers on the market and, perhaps, that we would do a good
>job keeping it up and running. And, even though it has not always been a sea of
>serenity, I think, overall, we have kept our promise to make CCC and CTF,
>elections and all, a reliably consistent place to visit.
>
>But things have evolved over the years. The software and dedicated chess
>computer market that were once a profit center in themselves, have become an
>"accommodation" or even a loss leader for chess customers who buy chess boards,
>pieces, tables, clocks, etc.
>
>The profit from chess software and dedicated chess playing computers is down
>dramatically because of an abundance of places on the Internet from which anyone
>can buy.  And, as you know, there are more and more instances of programmers
>marketing directly to the end user not to mention freeware chess programs
>galore.
>
>I have no issue with any of the above. This is a capitalistic marketplace, and
>competition will lower the price to the consumer. This, of course, is good for
>the consumer, at least in the short term. But it does make it difficult for
>those selling the product to maintain the support services that are no longer
>properly funded with the profit that was once made. We have chosen to not lower
>the quality of our service to our customers one iota, but that has left no room
>for extraneous expenses.
>
>Bottom line is that any capitalistic advantage that we once had by hosting CCC
>(and CTF) has dwindled to nothing, but the time, work, and expense of operating
>the CCC and CTF have not.
>
>So, what's the answer? There are several choices:
>	a) some other organization can take over the responsibility of hosting and
>running CCC and CTF
>	b) CCC and CTF can be disbanded and members can rejoin the USENET Newsgroups
>	c) members can pay a yearly fee to belong
>	d) members can voluntarily contribute
>
>My preference would be either "c" or "d" because I think it is safe to assume
>that "b" would be a disaster just as it was back in the mid 1990s, and I do not
>think many people want to return to that era. I, personally, do not like "a"
>because even though I am sure someone would volunteer to take over the hosting
>responsibility, the time and effort and skill of running elections, fixing
>problems, coordinating moderator issues and communication, and keeping the board
>basically free from unwanted intrusion, is something that we are constantly
>working on and fine tuning. This is not a project that runs on its own. And
>given a choice between "c" and "d', I would prefer to ask for donations before
>forcing everyone to pay. Assuming those who gave voluntarily were generous
>enough to make up for those who would choose not to contribute, I think we would
>do fine, and we would not have to be concerned that members would drop out
>because their free entertainment suddenly had a price attached to it.
>
>I think everyone will agree that the board, the great majority of the time, runs
>extremely smoothly. I am not much of a poster, but I visit and read CCC and CTF
>several times a day. I am sure many of you are equally obsessive. I like the
>idea that ICD is the host of the CCC and CTF, and I am proud of what we have
>helped to create, but I believe it is time for the members to help defray the
>expenses. For 7 years that has been our burden, and for the first 4 of those
>years what we got back in sales from members basically made the hosting
>bearable, but for the last 3 years or so we have absorbed the work and cost, and
>it does not look as if the industry is getting any better for the retailer.
>
>Something needs to be done. I have known it for a long time, but I have said
>nothing until now because I felt I owed something back to the chess computer
>industry, and I did not want to be perceived as being greedy. But we are way
>beyond that point now.
>
>So, that is the way I perceive issues related to the CCC and CTF. Perhaps you
>agree and perhaps you don't, but I am willing to hear what the membership has to
>say, and I welcome your thoughts.
>Steve
>ICD/Your Move Chess and Games
>www.ChessUSA.com



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