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Subject: Re: Question regarding approx. Elo of current crop

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 04:00:56 08/25/04

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On August 25, 2004 at 06:42:47, Vikrant Malvankar wrote:

>Your Rating List
>
>2700 ... World Champion
>2550 ... Average GM
>2400 ... Average IM
>2200 ... National Master
>2000 ... Strongest Computers (this was 1985 remember)
>2000 ... Candidate Master
>1550 ... Average Club Player
>1000 ... Average social player
>
>Well based on the testing done by me
>
>Commercial programs on P-IV 2.0, AMD ATHLON 2200 (Fritz, Junior,Shredder)
>approximately score about 2650-2700 are as good as Average GM and World Champion
>in open unbalanced positions. but remember this applies to playing among
>themselves only. As far as playing a strong GM well computers have yet to learn
>a lot I consider them abt 2550 playing on the aove Harware playing at normal
>controls against Super GM.

Based on what data?

The data that I read suggest better rating and there are >2700 performance of
Tiger on slower hardware or of old Junior at durtmond near 2000(it used faster
hardware than Athlon2200 but worse software).

 If u increase the speed things definitely vary but
>not the knowledge (chess) in the programs. Thats why Deep Blue lost the match to
>Kasparov in 1997.

Except facts that are different when deeper blue won in 1997.

>
>Todays free programs e.g. Crafty, Ruffian are also quiet strong and tactical
>monsters. On above hardware at Blitz Time Controls they are abt. 2650.


What evidence you have.

At blitz time control Fritz3 did better in 1994 on a slow pentium(I am not sure
if P90 or even slower hardware) and won a tournament together with kasparov) and
Crafty or Ruffian on fast hardware are clearly better than Fritz3.

Genius3 did even more than 2650 performance on p90 or p120 in 25 minutes/game in
1994 and the free programs on fast hardware are clearly stronger than it.


 but
>normal Time Control they are 2500 only.

Again you need evidence.
It seems that you tend to underestimate computers

The second possibility is that humans improved significantly since 1994 but
again you need evidence for it.

Uri



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