Author: Tom Likens
Date: 10:21:14 08/25/04
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On August 25, 2004 at 11:38:13, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 25, 2004 at 11:13:48, Steven Schwartz wrote: > >>Hi Everyone, >>First of all, thanks for all the kind words about my company. Although there is >>one person who seems to feel that we run CCC/CTF off ICD bandwidth - which we do >>not, and believes that the message board brings us lots of customers - which it >>does not. >> >>As far as the issue about hosting CCC (and CTF) is concerned.... >>I took a quick count of the responses to the choices I laid out. Here are the >>results (wasn't easy to count since some people made no specific letter choice >>but rather made general comments), at least as far as members who posted their >>choices as of now: >> >>12 a) some other organization can take over the responsibility of hosting >> 4 b) CCC and CTF can be disbanded and members can rejoin the USENET >>44 c) members can pay a yearly fee to belong >> 5 d) members can voluntarily contribute >> >>There were, as usual, many, many differing opinions about how to fix the >>problem, but I thought Ed posted about the issue most eloquently: >> >>"Think about the work involved, first the daily work of making the archives, the >>complaints by email about moderation issues, the legal threats some people make >>when they are banned, can the person really stand the heat, or will be shut down >>the website? Then the work involved regarding 2 mod elections a year. Then so >>now and then the site will go down, suppose the person is on vacation or ill? >> >>Here is some more, the person fells in love, priorities change, goodbye with the >>forum. People move to other cities, get a new and very busy job, people get >>sick, become a father, change priorities all the time -> there goes the forum >>again. The end result is so predictable.... CTF will run from pillar to post, 2 >>times a year at least. >> >>Wanna bet? >>Ed :)" > >In case of a problem it is possible to deal with it but I see no reason to care >about problems that Ed imagines. > >I always post in forums without paying for it and I see no reason to start to >pay for it. > >The only acceptable solution except volunteers is companies that sponsor it and >get advertisment(it is the case in some moderated forums in hebrew that I know). > >Solution when people are asked to pay is not acceptable by me. >I am surprised that 44 people supported paying. > >I never was asked to pay for participating in discussions and the idea to force >me to pay make me angry. > >This is not the amount of money that I am asked to pay. >If people pay only for the right to participate in discussions in forum X then >later it may encourage forum Y and forum Z to ask them to pay. > >Uri Hello Uri, I don't believe Steven is moving towards this option lightly, but is being forced into it by the economics of the situation. From the tone of his messages it seems clear that he would have continued on with things as they are indefinitely, but simply cannot because of the cost. Ultimately, *someone* must pay (the first thing they teach you in Economics, is that there is no free lunch). Until now that someone has been ICD, but now the money is running out and the cost and hassle of maintaining the forum is simply too large compared to the benefit Steven and ICD are receiving. I don't believe there are any villians here, it's simply the way things are, (believe me when I say, I wish there *were* free lunches). regards, --tom
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