Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 10:39:33 08/25/04
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On August 25, 2004 at 11:40:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On August 25, 2004 at 11:13:48, Steven Schwartz wrote:
>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>First of all, thanks for all the kind words about my company. Although there is
>>one person who seems to feel that we run CCC/CTF off ICD bandwidth - which we do
>>not, and believes that the message board brings us lots of customers - which it
>>does not.
>>
>>As far as the issue about hosting CCC (and CTF) is concerned....
>>I took a quick count of the responses to the choices I laid out. Here are the
>>results (wasn't easy to count since some people made no specific letter choice
>>but rather made general comments), at least as far as members who posted their
>>choices as of now:
>>
>>12 a) some other organization can take over the responsibility of hosting
>> 4 b) CCC and CTF can be disbanded and members can rejoin the USENET
>>44 c) members can pay a yearly fee to belong
>> 5 d) members can voluntarily contribute
>>
>>There were, as usual, many, many differing opinions about how to fix the
>>problem, but I thought Ed posted about the issue most eloquently:
>>
>>"Think about the work involved, first the daily work of making the archives, the
>>complaints by email about moderation issues, the legal threats some people make
>>when they are banned, can the person really stand the heat, or will be shut down
>>the website? Then the work involved regarding 2 mod elections a year. Then so
>>now and then the site will go down, suppose the person is on vacation or ill?
>>
>>Here is some more, the person fells in love, priorities change, goodbye with the
>>forum. People move to other cities, get a new and very busy job, people get
>>sick, become a father, change priorities all the time -> there goes the forum
>>again. The end result is so predictable.... CTF will run from pillar to post, 2
>>times a year at least.
>>
>>Wanna bet?
>>Ed :)"
>
>I would agree with Ed here. I host a hugely busy ftp box here that everyone
>uses for endgame tables. It is a pain. It is not free. And it takes work. If
>you look at the various private things done around the net, they are "here today
>there tomorrow" deals. CCC doesn't need that.
>
>How to solve this is a problem. Pay for access will probably be the death knell
>as only a few dedicated types will pay. And it will waste away over time.
>Having some private person host it will probably be the death knell. They will
>move, lose interest, or whatever. Every time CCC moves it will lose followers.
>
>I've been trying to think of how to host it here, but no real solutions yet, as
>it does take time and effort and hardware...
Bob,
I waited a bit, to not disturb a beginning sicussion. What surprised me now,
that nobody did recommand a sort of PR in the CCC for Steve's ICD.
I wanna make this quite clear. Usenet were a good alternative with a moderated
RGCC2 group, but why throw away the established label and state. CCC to me as a
lay and a German, is the only forum for computerchess, where, thanks to the
freedom of the USA, we can debate without always being insulted. I saw it during
the difficult and delicate topic about ElChinito. Where if not in CCC I could
possibly give my (lay) contribution with just a couple of aspects in such a
friendly atmosphere? Everywhere else people would have yelled, oh that bastard,
never has tested a tournament or engine but he dares to talk about a man who is
in the boat for 20 years. In truth I just assisted Paul H who was defamed
although he did nothing than brilliant science and its application. It's NOT
that I wouldn't pay for my freedom, but honestly, I couldn't tolerate say
certain sorts of mods who provenly behaved odd as members. They were still
elected like Tom. If I had to pay for my place here and someone like Tom were
mod, that could become a real pain in the ass.
Please do consider possibilities how Steve could legally and with our support
offer his products. If they are with a good price it would even interest
Germans. Let's try a typically American solution. Let's try a commercial issue.
But to collect cash is really problematic. Although, Bob, what could be with a
combination with a special offer from ICC. Since I don't play too much myself, I
always found the price ugly. But if we could combine it with CCC/CTF that would
be at least another motif to enter. - BTW the ChessBase server in Germany is
still for free and I did also play some games yet.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>>
>>
>>Some of you have been with us since the beginning of CCC almost 7 years ago.
>>Certainly it is the members who make a forum interesting and exciting, but it is
>>like a Broadway show. The play goes on and is a big hit not only because of the
>>actors out front but also because of the people who do the work "behind the
>>scenes". Hosting is only a small part of what needs to be done to have these
>>forums run correctly. I would never want my company to ever be associated with
>>anything that was not run correctly. But time has come for some change. The
>>market has dictated that. I think I may have a solution that might please most
>>(you can never please everyone). Let me refine it and make a proposal later.
>>
>>In the meantime, as usual, I welcome feedback.
>>
>>Steve
>>ICD/Your Move Chess & Games
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