Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: Some observations about future of CCC.....

Author: David Dahlem

Date: 10:49:03 08/25/04

Go up one level in this thread


On August 25, 2004 at 11:38:13, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 25, 2004 at 11:13:48, Steven Schwartz wrote:
>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>First of all, thanks for all the kind words about my company. Although there is
>>one person who seems to feel that we run CCC/CTF off ICD bandwidth - which we do
>>not, and believes that the message board brings us lots of customers - which it
>>does not.
>>
>>As far as the issue about hosting CCC (and CTF) is concerned....
>>I took a quick count of the responses to the choices I laid out. Here are the
>>results (wasn't easy to count since some people made no specific letter choice
>>but rather made general comments), at least as far as members who posted their
>>choices as of now:
>>
>>12      a) some other organization can take over the responsibility of hosting
>> 4      b) CCC and CTF can be disbanded and members can rejoin the USENET
>>44      c) members can pay a yearly fee to belong
>> 5      d) members can voluntarily contribute
>>
>>There were, as usual, many, many differing opinions about how to fix the
>>problem, but I thought Ed posted about the issue most eloquently:
>>
>>"Think about the work involved, first the daily work of making the archives, the
>>complaints by email about moderation issues, the legal threats some people make
>>when they are banned, can the person really stand the heat, or will be shut down
>>the website? Then the work involved regarding 2 mod elections a year. Then so
>>now and then the site will go down, suppose the person is on vacation or ill?
>>
>>Here is some more, the person fells in love, priorities change, goodbye with the
>>forum. People move to other cities, get a new and very busy job, people get
>>sick, become a father, change priorities all the time -> there goes the forum
>>again. The end result is so predictable.... CTF will run from pillar to post, 2
>>times a year at least.
>>
>>Wanna bet?
>>Ed :)"
>
>In case of a problem it is possible to deal with it but I see no reason to care
>about problems that Ed imagines.
>
>I always post in forums without paying for it and I see no reason to start to
>pay for it.
>
>The only acceptable solution except volunteers is companies that sponsor it and
>get advertisment(it is the case in some moderated forums in hebrew that I know).
>
>Solution when people are asked to pay is not acceptable by me.
>I am surprised that 44 people supported paying.
>
>I never was asked to pay for participating in discussions and the idea to force
>me to pay make me angry.

Any fee would be a drop in the bucket to the amount i spend on Computer Chess
software, books, learning materials, etc.. So i wouldn't think twice about
paying a fee to keep the CCC Forum. There is loads of information that can be
gleaned from this Computer Chess forum that can't be purchased anywhere else. I
don't understand why anyone seriously interested in Computer Chess would get
angry about paying a fee for such a valuable resource.

Regards
Dave

>
>This is not the amount of money that I am asked to pay.
>If people pay only for the right to participate in discussions in forum X then
>later it may encourage forum Y and forum Z to ask them to pay.
>
>Uri



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.