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Subject: Re: Some observations about future of CCC.....

Author: Sean Empey

Date: 11:40:09 08/25/04

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On August 25, 2004 at 12:32:26, Sean Empey wrote:

>On August 25, 2004 at 12:25:01, Sean Empey wrote:
>
>>On August 25, 2004 at 11:13:48, Steven Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>First of all, thanks for all the kind words about my company. Although there is
>>>one person who seems to feel that we run CCC/CTF off ICD bandwidth - which we do
>>>not, and believes that the message board brings us lots of customers - which it
>>>does not.
>>>
>>>As far as the issue about hosting CCC (and CTF) is concerned....
>>>I took a quick count of the responses to the choices I laid out. Here are the
>>>results (wasn't easy to count since some people made no specific letter choice
>>>but rather made general comments), at least as far as members who posted their
>>>choices as of now:
>>>
>>>12      a) some other organization can take over the responsibility of hosting
>>> 4      b) CCC and CTF can be disbanded and members can rejoin the USENET
>>>44      c) members can pay a yearly fee to belong
>>> 5      d) members can voluntarily contribute
>>>
>>>There were, as usual, many, many differing opinions about how to fix the
>>>problem, but I thought Ed posted about the issue most eloquently:
>>>
>>>"Think about the work involved, first the daily work of making the archives, the
>>>complaints by email about moderation issues, the legal threats some people make
>>>when they are banned, can the person really stand the heat, or will be shut down
>>>the website? Then the work involved regarding 2 mod elections a year. Then so
>>>now and then the site will go down, suppose the person is on vacation or ill?
>>>
>>>Here is some more, the person fells in love, priorities change, goodbye with the
>>>forum. People move to other cities, get a new and very busy job, people get
>>>sick, become a father, change priorities all the time -> there goes the forum
>>>again. The end result is so predictable.... CTF will run from pillar to post, 2
>>>times a year at least.
>>>
>>>Wanna bet?
>>>Ed :)"
>>>
>>>
>>>Some of you have been with us since the beginning of CCC almost 7 years ago.
>>>Certainly it is the members who make a forum interesting and exciting, but it is
>>>like a Broadway show. The play goes on and is a big hit not only because of the
>>>actors out front but also because of the people who do the work "behind the
>>>scenes". Hosting is only a small part of what needs to be done to have these
>>>forums run correctly. I would never want my company to ever be associated with
>>>anything that was not run correctly. But time has come for some change. The
>>>market has dictated that. I think I may have a solution that might please most
>>>(you can never please everyone). Let me refine it and make a proposal later.
>>>
>>>In the meantime, as usual, I welcome feedback.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>ICD/Your Move Chess & Games
>
>
>Before people make conclusions I would like the ability to represent my side and
>my idea for the hosting. It's not me just hosting. It's my entire IT team,
>company that would host and maintain the site, my company has internal legal
>counsel, law firms on retainment for legal issues and the DS3 we have is up
>99.999% of the time. My Company is 1/4 billion in size. Has been around for over
>50 million years and is growing exponentially. So a GF doesn't cause CCC to be
>put on the back burner. I offer is serious, please consider it as much. I will
>support what the users want as this site is for the users. Thank you.
>
>-Sean
>
>-Sean


correction we have not been around for 50 million years but more than  50 years,
sorry :)
The server would be hosted in our on site IT climate controlled room with
automated backups and UPS Power backup.

-Sean



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