Author: Uri Blass
Date: 13:02:10 08/25/04
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On August 25, 2004 at 13:21:14, Tom Likens wrote: >On August 25, 2004 at 11:38:13, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 25, 2004 at 11:13:48, Steven Schwartz wrote: >> >>>Hi Everyone, >>>First of all, thanks for all the kind words about my company. Although there is >>>one person who seems to feel that we run CCC/CTF off ICD bandwidth - which we do >>>not, and believes that the message board brings us lots of customers - which it >>>does not. >>> >>>As far as the issue about hosting CCC (and CTF) is concerned.... >>>I took a quick count of the responses to the choices I laid out. Here are the >>>results (wasn't easy to count since some people made no specific letter choice >>>but rather made general comments), at least as far as members who posted their >>>choices as of now: >>> >>>12 a) some other organization can take over the responsibility of hosting >>> 4 b) CCC and CTF can be disbanded and members can rejoin the USENET >>>44 c) members can pay a yearly fee to belong >>> 5 d) members can voluntarily contribute >>> >>>There were, as usual, many, many differing opinions about how to fix the >>>problem, but I thought Ed posted about the issue most eloquently: >>> >>>"Think about the work involved, first the daily work of making the archives, the >>>complaints by email about moderation issues, the legal threats some people make >>>when they are banned, can the person really stand the heat, or will be shut down >>>the website? Then the work involved regarding 2 mod elections a year. Then so >>>now and then the site will go down, suppose the person is on vacation or ill? >>> >>>Here is some more, the person fells in love, priorities change, goodbye with the >>>forum. People move to other cities, get a new and very busy job, people get >>>sick, become a father, change priorities all the time -> there goes the forum >>>again. The end result is so predictable.... CTF will run from pillar to post, 2 >>>times a year at least. >>> >>>Wanna bet? >>>Ed :)" >> >>In case of a problem it is possible to deal with it but I see no reason to care >>about problems that Ed imagines. >> >>I always post in forums without paying for it and I see no reason to start to >>pay for it. >> >>The only acceptable solution except volunteers is companies that sponsor it and >>get advertisment(it is the case in some moderated forums in hebrew that I know). >> >>Solution when people are asked to pay is not acceptable by me. >>I am surprised that 44 people supported paying. >> >>I never was asked to pay for participating in discussions and the idea to force >>me to pay make me angry. >> >>This is not the amount of money that I am asked to pay. >>If people pay only for the right to participate in discussions in forum X then >>later it may encourage forum Y and forum Z to ask them to pay. >> >>Uri > >Hello Uri, > >I don't believe Steven is moving towards this option lightly, but is being >forced into it by the economics of the situation. From the tone of his >messages it seems clear that he would have continued on with things as they >are indefinitely, but simply cannot because of the cost. > >Ultimately, *someone* must pay (the first thing they teach you in Economics, >is that there is no free lunch). Yes but it is always someone else who pay and not the posters of the forum. Until now that someone has been ICD, but >now the money is running out and the cost and hassle of maintaining the >forum is simply too large compared to the benefit Steven and ICD are >receiving. No problem and I do not complain against ICD if they stop to pay but when there are other people who suggest to replace ICD, I see no reason to decide to imagine problems that Ed suggest and still to pay for the forum. As far as I know I always post in moderated forums for free(in the worst case I need to see some advertisment but I never need to pay). I refuse to get used to pay when there is an alternative because it may encourage other forums to ask me money for posting. Uri
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