Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:19:39 08/25/04
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On August 25, 2004 at 17:45:14, Andreas Guettinger wrote: >On August 25, 2004 at 16:02:10, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On August 25, 2004 at 13:21:14, Tom Likens wrote: >> >>>On August 25, 2004 at 11:38:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On August 25, 2004 at 11:13:48, Steven Schwartz wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi Everyone, >>>>>First of all, thanks for all the kind words about my company. Although there is >>>>>one person who seems to feel that we run CCC/CTF off ICD bandwidth - which we do >>>>>not, and believes that the message board brings us lots of customers - which it >>>>>does not. >>>>> >>>>>As far as the issue about hosting CCC (and CTF) is concerned.... >>>>>I took a quick count of the responses to the choices I laid out. Here are the >>>>>results (wasn't easy to count since some people made no specific letter choice >>>>>but rather made general comments), at least as far as members who posted their >>>>>choices as of now: >>>>> >>>>>12 a) some other organization can take over the responsibility of hosting >>>>> 4 b) CCC and CTF can be disbanded and members can rejoin the USENET >>>>>44 c) members can pay a yearly fee to belong >>>>> 5 d) members can voluntarily contribute >>>>> >>>>>There were, as usual, many, many differing opinions about how to fix the >>>>>problem, but I thought Ed posted about the issue most eloquently: >>>>> >>>>>"Think about the work involved, first the daily work of making the archives, the >>>>>complaints by email about moderation issues, the legal threats some people make >>>>>when they are banned, can the person really stand the heat, or will be shut down >>>>>the website? Then the work involved regarding 2 mod elections a year. Then so >>>>>now and then the site will go down, suppose the person is on vacation or ill? >>>>> >>>>>Here is some more, the person fells in love, priorities change, goodbye with the >>>>>forum. People move to other cities, get a new and very busy job, people get >>>>>sick, become a father, change priorities all the time -> there goes the forum >>>>>again. The end result is so predictable.... CTF will run from pillar to post, 2 >>>>>times a year at least. >>>>> >>>>>Wanna bet? >>>>>Ed :)" >>>> >>>>In case of a problem it is possible to deal with it but I see no reason to care >>>>about problems that Ed imagines. >>>> >>>>I always post in forums without paying for it and I see no reason to start to >>>>pay for it. >>>> >>>>The only acceptable solution except volunteers is companies that sponsor it and >>>>get advertisment(it is the case in some moderated forums in hebrew that I know). >>>> >>>>Solution when people are asked to pay is not acceptable by me. >>>>I am surprised that 44 people supported paying. >>>> >>>>I never was asked to pay for participating in discussions and the idea to force >>>>me to pay make me angry. >>>> >>>>This is not the amount of money that I am asked to pay. >>>>If people pay only for the right to participate in discussions in forum X then >>>>later it may encourage forum Y and forum Z to ask them to pay. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>Hello Uri, >>> >>>I don't believe Steven is moving towards this option lightly, but is being >>>forced into it by the economics of the situation. From the tone of his >>>messages it seems clear that he would have continued on with things as they >>>are indefinitely, but simply cannot because of the cost. >>> >>>Ultimately, *someone* must pay (the first thing they teach you in Economics, >>>is that there is no free lunch). >> >> >>Yes but it is always someone else who pay and not the posters of the forum. >> >> >> Until now that someone has been ICD, but >>>now the money is running out and the cost and hassle of maintaining the >>>forum is simply too large compared to the benefit Steven and ICD are >>>receiving. >> >>No problem and I do not complain against ICD if they stop to pay but when there >>are other people who suggest to replace ICD, I see no reason to decide to >>imagine problems that Ed suggest and still to pay for the forum. >> >>As far as I know I always post in moderated forums for free(in the worst case I >>need to see some advertisment but I never need to pay). >> >>I refuse to get used to pay when there is an alternative because it may >>encourage other forums to ask me money for posting. >> >>Uri > >I try to rephrase your statement in one line of code: >"Why should I pay when others are willing to do it for me?" > >If somebody else is willing to take the CCC forum over then that just means that >somebody else has to "pay" (in terms of money and time) for it. >Personally, I'm very glad if I can contribute something financially to the >people who did all the work hosting this site because I already have a bad >feeling about all the time and work they offer for free. Especially since I >never bought something from ICD (sorry folks). > > >regards >Andy Even in a small country like Israel there are many hundreds of moderated forums when people discuss about a lot of subjects There are some advertisments that people who post in the forums see but people are never asked to pay a single dollar for participating in the forums. people who know hebrew can get list of the forums that begin in every letter in hebrew from the following link http://www.tapuz.co.il/forums/ It is only forums that belong to tapuz and there are many other forums in hebrew that you can get not from links in tapuz. Israel is a very small country and there are a lot of hebrew forums when the number of posts is clearly smaller than the number of posts in this forum. A lot of Forums are opened for a long time with average number of posts like 30 posts per day that is clearly smaller than this forum. I assume as obvious that this forum can continue to exist in some way even if posters do not need to pay a single dollar. The number of posters is probably high enough to make some company get interested in it and even if ICD does not earn money from it another company may earn money from it. If it is not the case then I do not understand the reason that so many moderated forums when people do not need to pay money exist. Uri
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