Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 17:40:12 08/25/04
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On August 25, 2004 at 20:33:31, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 25, 2004 at 20:16:00, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On August 25, 2004 at 20:07:00, José Carlos wrote: >> >>>On August 25, 2004 at 19:58:21, José Carlos wrote: >>> >>>>On August 25, 2004 at 17:41:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>I subscribe to a normal "legal philosophy" from the US. For a "crime" to be >>>>>committed, a couple of things are needed. >>>>> >>>>>(1) Intent. You need to knowingly break the law. IE if you walk into a store, >>>>>see a dollar bill laying on the floor, and you pick it up without thinking, you >>>>>_could_ be accused of theft of property. But there was no intent since the >>>>>floor is not a normal place for someone to leave "property" that is valuable. >>>>>No crime was committed. >>>>> >>>>>I believe this case fits that scenario. >>>>> >>>>>(2) Victim. Someone has to be victimized, directly or indirectly. He's not >>>>>tried to enter any ACM chess events which would victimize participants. He has >>>>>not publicly claimed that his code was 100% original that I have seen, so I am >>>>>not a victim. >>>>> >>>>>This is an unfortunate event, but one that doesn't leave me nearly as aggravated >>>>>as some of the other more famous cases, like bionic, le petite, voyager, et. al. >>>>> They definitely claimed the code to be original when it was not. >>>> >>>> Hi Bob, I'd don't quite understand your position. I'd like to know your >>>>opinion about these questions, to help me clarify: >>>> >>>> -shoud current version of ElChinito be allowed to participate in computer >>>>chess events without indicating it derives from Crafty? >> >>Clearly not >> >>>> -should Castillo and Tang be penalized somehow for previous participations? >> >>I think the exposure has accomplished that > >Elchinito promoted to the premier division of Leo based on it's results. > >Should Leo accept this result? Up to Leo, of course, but I guess not. >>>> -is the copywright in Quisinky's page legal? >> >>No. >> >>>> -is hidding the truth acceptable when not explicity saying lies? >> >>Clearly not >> >>>> -what would you think if other 100 engines would be proven to be in the same >>>>situation of ElChinito? >> >>I think we won't have to worry about that. Only the engines that are near to >>the strength of crafty are really suspect. > >No >There are clones of tscp and other programs so I do not agree that only engines >near the strength of crafty are suspected to be clones. I agree. But only those near to the strength of crafty will be crafty clones. Thare are also clones of GnuChess and SCP that I know of. There are many TSCP clones. Get some of the oldest versions of engines that you have and type "bye" and 1/10 or so will exit. They are probably all TSCP clones. Thare are also "clones with permission" of a few projects.
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